[17:59] MustangQuimby Messmer: Hi Jonathon [17:59] Johnathan2007 Whitfield: Hello [17:59] Jeremy Braver: and Geneva is in the house [18:00] Jeremy Braver: Hey Robins [18:00] Robins Hermano: Hi Jeremy [18:00] Geneva Watkins: Hey-o Jeremy [18:00] Geneva Watkins: Hi J, Mustang, Dalai [18:01] MustangQuimby Messmer: Hi Again Geneva, Happy New Year [18:02] Geneva Watkins: Happy New Year. [18:02] Severus Spyker: excuse me, sir. No Steam-punks [18:02] Corwin Carillon: Hi CDB [18:02] Severus Spyker: lol [18:03] Corwin Carillon: Hi Ed! [18:03] Geneva Watkins: ooh. sorry mustang [18:03] Jeremy Braver: Hey Corwin [18:03] Professor Beliveau: evening all [18:03] Palani Allen: Hello Corwin! Happy New Year! [18:03] Jenaia Morane: Thank you CDB [18:03] Corwin Carillon: Hey Jeremy! [18:03] Geneva Watkins: i was busy running down Chris' alt [18:03] MustangQuimby Messmer: Glad to see everyone [18:03] Corwin Carillon: and you to Palani! [18:03] Sunshine Sparrow: hi gang :) [18:04] CDB Barkley: Let me know when you are ready, no rush [18:04] MustangQuimby Messmer: Severus? [18:04] Jeremy Braver: I think that we are ready [18:04] Jeremy Braver: guys are we ready? [18:04] Jeremy Braver: lol [18:04] MustangQuimby Messmer: Yes [18:04] CDB Barkley: ok.. [18:04] Sunshine Sparrow: what are we doing? ;) [18:04] bee Zimminy: ok [18:04] CDB Barkley: Welcome everyone to this special session. [18:04] Zotarah Shepherd: I am I guess [18:05] CDB Barkley: These folks in the "ring" have volunteered to share their findings from a class they took in the fall. [18:05] CDB Barkley: And we are eager to learn more about their "Challenges and Solutions" to teaching in SL. [18:05] CDB Barkley: I'll turn it over to MustangQuimby to introduce the sesssion [18:05] CDB Barkley: As you can "see" we will use mostly text for this exchange [18:06] CDB Barkley: So I have to let yo know [18:06] CDB Barkley: we will save the chat log as a record. [18:06] CDB Barkley: Ok.. [18:06] CDB Barkley: On with the show! [18:06] MustangQuimby Messmer: Thanks, CDB. One of things we learned as participants in the course on teaching and learning in SL is that there can be communications challendges for a number of reasons [18:07] MustangQuimby Messmer: I'll open the floor to my colleagues to comment and for your questions and will wind up the group [18:07] Kavon Zenovka: yes [18:07] Geneva Watkins: i hear a voice [18:08] MustangQuimby Messmer: For example, some of us have voice tonight and others don't [18:08] Jeremy Braver: I think that it's relevant to mention the fact that we were all in a grad class together on Edtech island through Boise State [18:08] Dalai Haskell: Great, now they know. [18:08] CDB Barkley: Welcome, Claudia! We are just starting [18:09] Jeremy Braver: Did I let the cat out too early Dalai? [18:09] Sunshine Sparrow: pishaw :) [18:09] CDB Barkley: How about some intros? [18:09] Dalai Haskell: Among other things [18:09] Sunshine Sparrow: I'm Salli DiBartolo--I teach at Brevard Community College in Florida and took our class so that I would be comfortable bringing students in for the social aspect of SL [18:10] Sunshine Sparrow: I felt like there was a disconnect in distance learning and thought that SL would be a perfect way to reconnect [18:10] Sunshine Sparrow: I'm still scared of bringing them in ;) [18:10] Sunshine Sparrow: probably because of the learning curve [18:10] Sunshine Sparrow: but that's what our assignment was--the challenges we face as faculty, etc. [18:10] Jeremy Braver: I'm Jeremy Koester an Instr. Tech grad student in RL, focused on Gaming and Learning in Virtual Worlds [18:10] MustangQuimby Messmer: MustangQuimby Messmer-- I wanted to know how SL could support authentic learning [18:10] Geneva Watkins: Dalai has a god-like echo [18:11] Sunshine Sparrow: He is God, isn't he? ;) [18:11] Sunshine Sparrow: [side note: we had LOTS of fun...] [18:11] MustangQuimby Messmer: So this is who we are--what brings others to this session? [18:11] Johnathan2007 Whitfield: I'm RIc Robinson, Corporate Trainer and Instructional Designer doing R&D for using Virtual Worlds for Corporate Training. [18:11] Bender Barkkorn: I'm teaching a class in using SL for teaching and learning at Santa Clara University [18:12] Robins Hermano: I'm teaching a class in SL for University of Central Florida [18:12] Qadmon Celt: I'm Diego Leal from Colombia. I'm a researcher on e-Learning and a project manager on e-learning at the Colombian Ministry of Education. Glad to be here! [18:12] Robins Hermano: Students started coming in today, thanks to NMC Orientation - Yay! [18:12] Sunshine Sparrow: Hey, Robins--I'm at BCC :) [18:12] CDB Barkley: Yippe [18:12] Lively Paderborn: I am teaching a class on CMC using SL for assignments at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. Classes start for us on Monday. [18:12] robrob McCoy: I am Rob Robertson...in the corp world and am researching this type of delivery...and hoping to take this class this semester [18:13] Dalai Haskell: Dalai Haskell (Chris Haskell) I teach at Boise State University. [18:13] Robins Hermano: Hi Sunshine, cool we should get together, it's not that scary ;-) [18:13] Lively Paderborn: Looking forward to using the orientation part of NMC [18:13] Sunshine Sparrow: you're on! [18:13] Kavon Zenovka: Instructional Designer at Front Range Community college - hoping to bring more classes into SL. [18:13] bee Zimminy: I am preparing touse Sl as a meeting and learning environment in an online course (graduate Interactive Media Design.) [18:13] CDB Barkley: Alan Levine with NMC and utterly amazed with the growth of educators here [18:13] MustangQuimby Messmer: Hi Kavon--I'm at CMC [18:13] Dalai Haskell: I am hopiing to marry Claudia Linden [18:13] Fleep Tuque: (Intro's? Just arrived) [18:13] Jenaia Morane: lol [18:13] CDB Barkley: We have a chapel somewhere [18:14] Geneva Watkins: I'm Will Ober, an instructional designer at a K-12 curriculum development company in the US. We have about 40,000 students who use our curriculum across the country and, starting this month, internationally. I'm here to see how we can add the social learning back in for our students for whom school happens in their home. [18:14] Jeremy Braver: go ahead Fleep [18:14] Kavon Zenovka: Cool -I knew there was someone at CMC doing something in SL [18:14] Dalai Haskell: Score [18:14] Jenaia Morane: lol Dalai [18:14] Fleep Tuque: Fleep Tuque, University of Cincinnati. Teaching teachers to teach with technology! :) [18:14] Seth Mersereau: I'm Seth from Edtech @ Northeastern Univ... we're looking at ways to use SL and hoping to get more faculty interested [18:14] Jenaia Morane: Jenaia Morance: I am a freelance writer and teacher developing and teaching online writing courses [18:14] Jenaia Morane: Hope to open a school in SL [18:14] Dalai Haskell: Sorry, Claudia, we're breakin' up,.. Fleep and I are getting married [18:15] Claudia Linden: Claudia Linden/Claudia L'Amoreaux - working with the education community in Second Life for Linden Lab [18:15] Kah3na Falken: Kah3na Falken, from University of Tennessee. [18:15] Fleep Tuque laughs. [18:15] bee Zimminy: From Towson Universtiy, Maryland [18:15] MustangQuimby Messmer: The impetus for this panel was our group posting to SL on problems and solutions w/ T and L in SL--If you saw it do you have any questionss? [18:15] Claudia Linden: uh T and L? [18:15] Claudia Linden: oh duh got it already [18:15] MustangQuimby Messmer: Teaching and Learning (sorry--) [18:15] CDB Barkley: http://tinyurl.com/29ooph [18:16] Claudia Linden: acronym challenged :D [18:16] Dalai Haskell: not torturing and laughing? [18:16] MustangQuimby Messmer: Hahahahah [18:16] Sunshine Sparrow: that was *during* class, Dalai [18:16] Dalai Haskell: My stuff will be a "little" off topic then [18:16] Jeremy Braver: I was thinking it was texting and landmarking [18:16] Johnathan2007 Whitfield: No it was trials and labors....lol [18:17] MustangQuimby Messmer: Well... [18:17] Fleep Tuque: Oh yes! I remember this post, excellent stuff. [18:17] Seth Mersereau: I'm interested in hearing what others have done, andissues that have come us [18:17] Seth Mersereau: up* [18:17] Jeremy Braver: as you all can see, our class brought us together as a group, I felt like more than just classmates with these fine folks [18:17] Sunshine Sparrow: communicating was our biggest issue [18:17] CDB Barkley: How? [18:17] Dalai Haskell: Voice [18:17] Sunshine Sparrow: not everyone could talk/listen and so texting really slowed class down quite a bit [18:18] Sunshine Sparrow: but [18:18] Sunshine Sparrow: it's something we had to deal with every week [18:18] Geneva Watkins: in 13 weeks, we never established a set convention [18:18] Fleep Tuque nods. [18:18] Jeremy Braver: Let's just say it, I was voice challenged most of the time during class [18:18] robrob McCoy: should that be a requirement for future classes ? [18:18] Sunshine Sparrow: sometimes half of us would be fine, the other times a quarter of us would be [18:18] CDB Barkley: There are rimes for both [18:18] Geneva Watkins: we never gave up on voice, but it also never worked for everyone [18:18] Sunshine Sparrow: One even spoke through the microphone of anohter during skype calls--who was that? [18:18] Seth Mersereau: have you , or anyone else, tried to skype instead? [18:18] Fleep Tuque: And took some valuable class time to futz with every week. ;) [18:18] Geneva Watkins: sometimes it mattered more than others [18:18] Seth Mersereau: like with SL and skype [18:18] MustangQuimby Messmer: Well, one evening made us think about that, because our guest was hearing impaired, so we used text [18:19] Geneva Watkins: dalai and jeremy agitated for skype [18:19] Jeremy Braver: That would be me Sunshine, thru Dalais' hook up [18:19] Seth Mersereau: buyt the adio in it [18:19] robrob McCoy: i would think it would be very difficult to build a learning strat with such variables [18:19] Sunshine Sparrow: right, Dalai and Jeremy [18:19] Geneva Watkins: but it didn't catch on...except for me [18:19] Seth Mersereau: ah [18:19] Fleep Tuque: (is this open ended questions or saving for a Q&A period?) [18:19] Dalai Haskell: I have some solutions to consider in this area, may I take about 6 minutes and offer them? [18:19] Jeremy Braver: gitty up Dalai [18:20] Sunshine Sparrow: argh! [18:20] Sunshine Sparrow: :) [18:20] Fleep Tuque: Er voice! [18:20] Seth Mersereau: LOL [18:20] Joie Despres: LOL [18:20] Geneva Watkins: i was just about ot say, hope you ahve a notecard [18:20] Sunshine Sparrow: Such a comedian [18:20] Severus Spyker: http://cdn.libsyn.com/dalaihaskell/voicecast.m4a [18:20] Fleep Tuque: I can't find the speaker to focus on [18:20] Fleep Tuque: is he not rezzed? [18:21] Geneva Watkins: the little guy, fleep [18:21] Geneva Watkins: house elf [18:21] Fleep Tuque is technically challenged this evening. [18:22] Severus Spyker: t happened in a predictably unpredictable way. After hours of preparing to teach our group project on creative instruction in second [18:22] Severus Spyker: life, one simple and appropriate request obliterated our lesson plan. Despite the weeks of outlining, research, content development, dialog, and practice, we felt utterly unprepared. [18:22] Severus Spyker: The request: "Can you present in text?" seemed entirely reasonable and undeniably impossible. [18:22] Corwin Carillon: Dalai is speaking Fleep [18:22] Fleep Tuque: Yep got it now. :) [18:22] Severus Spyker: Interestingly, the original SL culture is built on text communication. For years, the only mode of communication was opening a chat window and allowing your avatar to pantomime in mid-air. [18:22] Severus Spyker: The advent of voice communication has split the community of SL residents by creating an oddly ironic digital divide with haves and the have-nots. [18:22] Severus Spyker: Some residents prefer the convenience of communicating to others using their voice. [18:22] Fleep Tuque: I don't see his av, just one attachment floating about. Just focused on that. :) [18:23] Severus Spyker: Proponents' say it's faster, more direct, and can create a stronger RL relationship. The have-nots relish the other side of the coin. [18:23] Severus Spyker: hose who are without, or in many cases chose to NOT to use, say that text chat is more pure, allows residents to communicate deeper meaning, offers separation, and is more appropriate as a form of communication in a virtual world. [18:23] Severus Spyker: he crux of the issue is NOT whether to promote or eliminate one method of communication in teaching in the SL environment, but how to include or make accessible first person instruction in world. [18:23] Severus Spyker: When teaching in-world, it is a helpful solution to anticipate teaching to both languages. At the minimum, the instructor has to consider being ready to teach with text. [18:23] CDB Barkley: (Next to the guy in blue shirt typing) [18:23] CDB Barkley: (we are recording) [18:23] Severus Spyker: In being prepared to teach, it is good to outline the central points of a lesson and supporting details so that they can be copied into a chat window or handed off in a note card. [18:23] Severus Spyker: This works best when the anticipation is teaching in voice but the possibility of teaching to some in text. [18:24] Severus Spyker: In group teaching, voice can work as the primary method. One solution is to assign someone to act as scribe and translator. [18:24] Corwin Carillon: CDB, getting this twice out of sync .. is the recording come though too? [18:24] Severus Spyker: This is akin to 70's-80's era newscasts where a small window of the TV screen was dedicated to a sign language interpreter. [18:24] Severus Spyker: As you speak, another voice enabled resident paraphrases larger thoughts and directions into the chat window. [18:24] Fleep Tuque: The translator is a painful role to play. :) [18:24] Severus Spyker: This allows the presenter or teacher to be unencumbered by the keyboard while they teach but still communicate to the SL hearing impaired. [18:24] CDB Barkley: my audio is clear [18:24] Fleep Tuque: Clear audio here too [18:24] Severus Spyker: Several scripted objects exist in-world that allow the release of text on command. Above and beyond objects that "speak" text indiscriminately, [18:24] Severus Spyker: the scripted tools allow specific timing of elements, line-by-line release, and RT modification [18:25] Severus Spyker: One object created by Yahon Althouse called "Yo Speak" will say a line up to 255 characters each. It works by reading a note card. [18:25] Severus Spyker: The user creates the notecard, separating each line with a return, and then drops the notecard in the object. Once deployed, the creator (and the creator alone) clicks [18:25] Severus Spyker: on the object and the next line of text is released. This type of pre-scripted object can help move through a predictable or outlined lessons. [18:25] Severus Spyker: Another tool of this ilk is called "Whiteboard" by K & R engineering. In addition to video, slides, and text collection, it will support a pre-scripted notecard and deliver the lines (100 characters each) on to the Whiteboard object but NOT into local chat. [18:26] Severus Spyker: The process of communicating by text can, at times, result in cognitive overload. Much like that feeling one gets when they have read an entire page in a book while day [18:26] Severus Spyker: dreaming, we "wake-up" to find that (although our eyes were moving) there was no comprehension. [18:26] Severus Spyker: Consider the solution of recording a podcast that follows the same order and similar timing of your presentation or lesson [18:26] Severus Spyker: Participants who download the podcast could be prompted to see or do the same things as the class who is connected to voice chat in world. [18:26] Geneva Watkins: i'm finding this to be moving along pretty fast! [18:26] Geneva Watkins: Has SL trained me to expect slower exposition? [18:27] Severus Spyker: Thats Haskell [18:27] Severus Spyker: He's a real wind bag [18:27] Severus Spyker: and dorky [18:27] Severus Spyker: While it would be much easier to exclude one modality of delivery, the climate in education and society of inclusion is not likely to weaken. [18:27] CDB Barkley: (T=5:16) [18:27] Geneva Watkins: lol [18:27] Severus Spyker: We will, as teachers and learners, be expected to communicate to all learners with all needs. Finding and employing solutions to SL bi-lingual delivery is a must. [18:27] Jenaia Morane: lol CDB [18:28] Jeremy Braver: 45 seconds left Dalai!!! [18:28] Uma Jameson: Sure. I do not know what happened to my pants! [18:29] Uma Jameson: I can't walk yet. [18:29] Fleep Tuque: That's a great solution [18:29] CDB Barkley: Talking about using Skype and audio software to bridge sound to Jeremy who could not get voice working [18:29] Geneva Watkins: lol [18:29] Seth Mersereau: very interesting [18:29] Jeremy Braver wishes he had that going now [18:29] Sunshine Sparrow: and they worked :) [18:29] CDB Barkley: Improvise! [18:29] CDB Barkley: he has nice [18:29] CDB Barkley: was [18:30] Corwin Carillon: you can play SL through skype video ... Fire Centaur has a YouTube on this I think [18:30] Fleep Tuque claps. [18:30] CDB Barkley says that was agreat [18:30] MustangQuimby Messmer: sharing the logistics in writing is so valualble Dalai [18:31] Uma Jameson: no [18:31] Uma Jameson: should I download Skype? [18:31] MustangQuimby Messmer: Jeremy? [18:31] Corwin Carillon: outside of SL, voice access is also an issure with global groups [18:31] Dalai Haskell: No, I will channel [18:31] Jeremy Braver: Sorry, Mustang, can't hear yet [18:31] Sunshine Sparrow: this happened a lot too--waiting for someone to go next and then that person actually crashing and coming back... [18:31] Sunshine Sparrow: a few of our presentations were jaded that way [18:32] robrob McCoy: jaded? [18:32] Sunshine Sparrow: well, we didn't get to hear/do what we had planned due to a crash [18:32] robrob McCoy: gotcha [18:32] Sunshine Sparrow: My group was doing a sound infusion...what do you hear, how does it make you feel, is sound impt, etc. [18:32] Uma Jameson: good, I'm having a time just sitting down! [18:32] Sunshine Sparrow: and the person in charge of that part crashed [18:32] MustangQuimby Messmer: I think preparing learners to have a Plan B is a good skill to promote [18:33] CDB Barkley: Crashing is a FOL.. FOSL [18:33] Fleep Tuque: Uma, can just right click and choose "Sit" on any of the cushions. :) [18:33] Sunshine Sparrow: We weren't ready for that to happen but seemed to pull it off (the rest of us) somewhat [18:33] Jeff Kurka: How many students would you recommend to have in a class in SL? [18:33] Geneva Watkins: Yes, having the feeling that you're on top of the issues is a big part of having a positive affect [18:33] MustangQuimby Messmer: If people aren't prepared it can cause them to do away. [18:34] Sunshine Sparrow: we had 15ish and it was nice [18:34] MustangQuimby Messmer: Go away [18:34] MustangQuimby Messmer: I agree with no more than 15 [18:34] Fleep Tuque: I've had as many as 25 and felt it was too much [18:34] Sunshine Sparrow: I would agree, Fleep [18:34] Fleep Tuque: as a solo instructor [18:34] Fleep Tuque: would have been ok if team-taught, I think [18:34] Johnathan2007 Whitfield: Size of class also depends on learning activities...lectures accommodate larger groups. [18:34] Geneva Watkins: Yes, made breaking into groups very possible, without being overwhelmingly large. [18:34] CDB Barkley: For synchronous it is demanding [18:34] Sunshine Sparrow: group work is AWESOME [18:35] Uma Jameson: i'm having issues. [18:35] Fleep Tuque: big fan of learning communities. [18:35] Jeremy Braver: I have found that having a co-teach model works best in any circumstance here in SL [18:35] Geneva Watkins: That's true, and when we field tripped in Svarga, the av cap kept some of us out. [18:35] MustangQuimby Messmer: Group work and tours with a purpose were awesome [18:35] Jeremy Braver: allows one to teach while the other can trouble shoot and help support the technically challenged [18:35] Lively Paderborn: are there any group assignments that you found particularly exciting [18:35] Fleep Tuque: I personally think so Jeremy [18:35] Sunshine Sparrow: As a matter of fact, I just got back from meeting my group in Vegas--we built a very strong relationship over the course of the semester [18:36] Uma Jameson: got it [18:36] robrob McCoy: i would be interested to hear best practices on tours if we have time at the end [18:36] Fleep Tuque: Co-teaching whether in person OR DL works well. [18:36] CDB Barkley: There was a section in the paper on helping new users- what are the findings? [18:36] Fleep Tuque: Good question, Lively. :) [18:36] Sunshine Sparrow: Group assignments...the scavenger hunts which we learned about are a good idea.We didn't get to do one, though... [18:36] Jeff Kurka: did you use any tools for group tours...I heard of a bus to teleport groups? [18:36] Geneva Watkins: All our group assignments were exciting! [18:36] Fleep Tuque: We here you [18:36] Fleep Tuque: er hear you! [18:36] Fleep Tuque: Goodness. [18:37] CDB Barkley: i heard ya [18:37] Sunshine Sparrow: yep! [18:37] Robins Hermano: yep [18:37] Jenaia Morane: yep [18:37] MustangQuimby Messmer: YAY [18:37] robrob McCoy: yup [18:37] Johnathan2007 Whitfield: Yep [18:37] Corwin Carillon: yep J [18:37] Seth Mersereau: choppy [18:37] Geneva Watkins: i hear a fox [18:37] toster Oh: Sounds good! [18:37] CDB Barkley: sounds like you are here [18:37] Severus Spyker: $L100 if you can hear, dorp it on Dalai [18:37] Lively Paderborn: somehow I don't have sound [18:38] MustangQuimby Messmer: I realize the checklist is missing considerations for voice and text accomodations [18:38] Uma Jameson: I cannot but I do not have skype. [18:38] Corwin Carillon: I find it interesting that we still have our discourse in terms of teachers co-teachers etc and not self-directed learning groups and scaling using students as facilitators / leaders [18:39] CDB Barkley: yes, cc [18:39] Dalai Haskell: as·suage [uh-sweyj, uh-sweyzh] : 1. to make milder or less severe; relieve; ease; mitigate: to assuage one's grief; to assuage one's pain. [18:39] MustangQuimby Messmer: Good Pt Corwin [18:39] Geneva Watkins: cdb, you were saying? [18:39] Kavon Zenovka: But isn't learning how to navigate a virtual world a skill our students learn without constant direction [18:39] MustangQuimby Messmer: I thought the best activities were constructivist [18:39] Robins Hermano: I had students taking on this role last semeste on their own [18:40] Jeff Kurka: CDB can we use the orientation for students? [18:40] CDB Barkley: http://sl.nmc.org/join [18:40] Jenaia Morane: thank you [18:40] Lively Paderborn: Jeff, you said busses for tours [18:40] Kavon Zenovka: I felt exploring without step by step like screen shots was valuable [18:40] Robins Hermano: My students are using NMC orientation right now and it seems to be working great! [18:40] Lively Paderborn: how can I find out about that [18:40] Joie Despres: so if you've already joined but not thru NMC can you still visit orientation? [18:41] Lively Paderborn: I will have 45 students nexteek [18:41] Lively Paderborn: week [18:41] Fleep Tuque: Yes, I'm steering students and faculty to the NMC orientation from all over Ohio [18:41] Robins Hermano: I should have about 200 coming through this week - fingers crossed [18:41] Geneva Watkins: Was there resistance to setting that up? [18:41] Joie Despres: ty [18:41] Kavon Zenovka: ditial literacy skills dealing with perpetual beta [18:41] Fleep Tuque: Seems very helpful [18:41] Geneva Watkins: Skipping orientation island, that is? [18:41] CDB Barkley: what do you mean resistance, Geneva [18:41] Seth Mersereau: we are sending folks that way too ;) [18:41] Jeff Kurka: Thanks that will help with orientating students [18:41] Fleep Tuque: Linden Lab sanctions the creation of new orientation spaces. [18:42] Geneva Watkins: or is your orientation a like-for-like replacement? [18:42] CDB Barkley: Iy helps spread out the load [18:42] Fleep Tuque: It's just a lot of work! Thank goodness NMC did it, I say. :) [18:42] CDB Barkley: N it is different. [18:42] Corwin Carillon: Geneva it is very diff from the LL / SL orientation [18:42] CDB Barkley: It was based on a lot of input fmr the edu community [18:42] MustangQuimby Messmer: Most appreciated--the other Island was not always friendly [18:42] CDB Barkley: http://sl.nmc.org/2008/01/07/teachers-buzz-2008/ [18:42] Corwin Carillon: LL have been very encouraging of alternatives [18:43] Uma Jameson: No, I enabled the voice chat but no success. [18:43] Palani Allen: An academic orientation site is a great idea! [18:43] Jeremy Braver: not to mention the educational connections made thru NMC vs. the main orientation space [18:43] Fleep Tuque: It's really an excellent resource [18:43] Jeff Kurka: Lively...yes I heard of a bus you can put everyone on and take them on tours...has anyone used this? [18:43] Robins Hermano: I think the two most important aspects of NMC orienttaion, aside from educatior/student focus is: [18:43] Geneva Watkins: I agree. There is no one-size-fits-all introduction to SL. [18:43] MustangQuimby Messmer: I tried a motorcycle that didn't work once (LOL) [18:43] Robins Hermano: 1) being able to meet your students when they first come into SL, and 2) students being able to go your class without completing all the orientations [18:44] CDB Barkley: Let's hear some more from the other students [18:44] Robins Hermano: That is, they don't get trapped on OI [18:44] MustangQuimby Messmer: Our college now has a condo and the faculty invited them in that way... [18:44] Joie Despres: I find it interesting the orientation SL provides now has a gaming aspect to it...to accomplish tasks [18:45] MustangQuimby Messmer: Informal space which also included the policy piece and some objects to try out [18:45] Sunshine Sparrow: gaming theory [18:45] Corwin Carillon: Hi Larry [18:45] Jeremy Braver: Hey LArry [18:46] Larry Pixel: hi! [18:46] Fleep Tuque: Hey Larry! [18:46] CDB Barkley: What advice do you give to educators who are new to this and want to get started using SL for a class? [18:46] MustangQuimby Messmer: I hope you'll all pick up the objects we put out--mine has a couple notecards--one is a url to a SL checklists for places that want to put up courses [18:46] Landmark and Notecard Giver owned by MustangQuimby Messmer gave you 'Help' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/NMC%20Conference%20Center/54/209/21 ). [18:46] Palani Allen: Hello Larry! [18:46] Larry Pixel: Hi Panini! [18:46] Corwin Carillon: in response to CDB "check your conceptions of teaching and learning at the door" [18:46] MustangQuimby Messmer: People should self select-- [18:47] MustangQuimby Messmer: Make use of the environment in a very active way [18:47] Uma Jameson: Can you hear me? [18:47] MustangQuimby Messmer: sorry [18:47] Fleep Tuque: Hi Uma [18:47] Geneva Watkins: You need to plan in some time and availability in RL to talk with students who are having trouble [18:48] Sunshine Sparrow: sorry [18:48] Uma Jameson: Hello everyone! [18:48] Uma Jameson: Should I turn it off? [18:49] Uma Jameson: I can only hear typing. [18:49] Sunshine Sparrow: this is a team building exercise where groups make tshirts--very simple and available right in inventory with no special skills [18:49] Palani Allen: Hi Uma! [18:49] Sunshine Sparrow: take a copy if you wish [18:50] You decline 'Center for Games & Simulations, EdTech (108, 74, 24)' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/NMC%20Conference%20Center/54/214/21 ) from Object. [18:50] Uma Jameson: repeat the first part of your text. [18:50] Sunshine Sparrow: Uma, to whom are you speaking? :) [18:51] Fleep Tuque: I think someone must be IMing her [18:51] Fleep Tuque: and she is replying in local chat. :) [18:51] Sunshine Sparrow: oh :) [18:51] Sunshine Sparrow: sorry [18:51] robrob McCoy: uma click the "history" button on the left side of your screen [18:52] MustangQuimby Messmer: Are we ready of a wrap? [18:53] MustangQuimby Messmer: If we are going that way, I wanted to mention the second notecard [18:53] Fleep Tuque: Is someone speaking and I can't hear it? [18:53] Dalai Haskell: Were using ESP [18:53] robrob McCoy: heh [18:53] Geneva Watkins: i also hear nothing [18:53] Fleep Tuque: Heh [18:53] Sunshine Sparrow: behave, Dalai! [18:53] Fleep Tuque: Ok, I was confused. :) [18:53] Dalai Haskell: sry [18:53] Jenaia Morane: Dalai is psyhic [18:53] Sunshine Sparrow: :) [18:54] : A burst of magic blasts from Dalai's hand! [18:54] : Dalai must be punished! [18:54] Jenaia Morane: pschic [18:54] : Dalai must be punished! [18:54] robrob McCoy: i was too ;-) [18:54] Johnathan2007 Whitfield: Hear nothing....oxymoron...lol [18:54] Sunshine Sparrow: sickic [18:54] Fleep Tuque: So if I can ask one more question [18:54] Geneva Watkins: psycho? [18:54] Fleep Tuque: of the students [18:54] Fleep Tuque: what do you like most about your own personal experience teaching in SL? [18:54] Fleep Tuque: (do you/didi you) [18:54] Jeremy Braver: Question away [18:54] Fleep Tuque: (did too) [18:54] Sunshine Sparrow: the comraderie is what sells me [18:54] Sunshine Sparrow: learning together [18:54] Jeremy Braver: the connections I made [18:54] Sunshine Sparrow: sorry, i just butchered that word [18:55] MustangQuimby Messmer: Ditto the spirit of shared exploration [18:55] Corwin Carillon: the creativity Fleep [18:55] Jeremy Braver: I think that I was the only grad student in the class [18:55] Dalai Haskell: No, me too [18:55] Sunshine Sparrow: yes, but we liked you anyway [18:55] Sunshine Sparrow: ;) [18:55] Seth Mersereau: LOL [18:55] Fleep Tuque: Do you feel that it had any impact on your personal development, as opposed to professional development? [18:55] Paribus Habilis: when you mention "cameraderie" and "connection" to whom and between whom are you referring? between instructors/eachother? or between instructor-student, etc? [18:56] Jeremy Braver: all Paribus [18:56] Sunshine Sparrow: all of us, Paribus [18:56] MustangQuimby Messmer: All for one SL [18:56] Paribus Habilis: ^.^ ... figured. [18:56] Sunshine Sparrow: I don't know if you heard me say that I met my group in Vegas right before Christmas [18:56] Geneva Watkins: When I was preparing for a class, I set two goals. One was to create a situation in which the participants were likely to learn. My other goal was to create delight for the participants in what was happening. [18:56] Fleep Tuque: Wow how cool! [18:56] Sunshine Sparrow: one lives in Vegas, I live in Florida, and another lives in England [18:56] MustangQuimby Messmer: How did you all decide to do that? [18:56] Jeremy Braver: I found that I was respected as if I were an equal with all of the others in the class [18:56] Dalai Haskell: I would say community, Paribus [18:56] Fleep Tuque: Delight is such a great word, Geneva [18:57] Fleep Tuque: Think that should be a goal in _every_ class. :) [18:57] Dalai Haskell: we all teach, we all learn, its connected [18:57] Fleep Tuque: In SL or not! [18:57] Sunshine Sparrow: we were pretty social too, I think [18:57] Jeremy Braver: I like that word as well Geneva [18:57] Geneva Watkins: The first part was about doing good instructional design, the second was about details, and exploiting the unique possibilites of SL. [18:57] Jeremy Braver: I don't like dedark, I like delight [18:57] Fleep Tuque: Did you use any specific ID models? [18:57] Sunshine Sparrow: silly [18:57] Geneva Watkins: :) [18:57] CDB Barkley: Go to delight [18:57] MustangQuimby Messmer: Interesting--Im at a college whose vision is "Where everyone teaches and everyone learns" [18:57] Geneva Watkins: so does sunshine [18:57] Paribus Habilis chuckles @ Jeremy's "dedark" [18:58] Sunshine Sparrow: don't encourage him, Paribus! [18:58] Jenaia Morane: I'm curious about how you approached topics [18:58] Fleep Tuque: good lord I just got that. Slow on the uptake! [18:58] Sunshine Sparrow: heehee [18:58] Fleep Tuque: laughs [18:58] Jenaia Morane: Did you ask students to prepare ahead of time [18:58] Paribus Habilis: :P [18:58] Sunshine Sparrow: we had TONS of preparation ahead of time [18:58] Sunshine Sparrow: TONS [18:58] Jeremy Braver: There were prerequesites to being vrsed in SL Jen [18:58] Jenaia Morane: So most of the work in class was discussion? [18:58] Jeremy Braver: Most of it was in voice [18:58] Sunshine Sparrow: no, not only discussion [18:58] Sunshine Sparrow: presentation [18:58] Paribus Habilis: Dalai... can u snap your fingers and wake Severus up? ^^ [18:59] Jenaia Morane: I see [18:59] MustangQuimby Messmer: ID-- we talked about Rapid Protyping and Rapid E-Learning [18:59] Sunshine Sparrow: field trips [18:59] Jeremy Braver: had lots of visiting experts, loved that [18:59] Geneva Watkins: i think when we experience something really great, we want to be part of that. we want to do great things. [18:59] Fleep Tuque: http://lisadawley.googlepages.com/challengesolutionBSU.htm [18:59] Jenaia Morane: Okay, beginning to see [18:59] Geneva Watkins: For many, that's more possible in SL. [18:59] MustangQuimby Messmer: Thanks Fleep [18:59] Palani Allen: Is this described community in SL similar or different from a f2f class? [18:59] Jeremy Braver: Lisa Dawley/ Mali Young did an amazing job IMHO about negotiating the curriculum with us/me [18:59] Dalai Haskell: Marry me, Fleep! [19:00] Sunshine Sparrow: I agree, Dalai [19:00] Larry Pixel: lol [19:00] Fleep Tuque: laugh [19:00] Sunshine Sparrow: she asked us each what our goals were [19:00] Larry Pixel: Step in line Dalai [19:00] Sunshine Sparrow: and then combined like responses together and came up with 4 divisions (or so) [19:00] : Chat text off. [19:00] Sunshine Sparrow: and then we got to choose the group in which we worked [19:00] Fleep Tuque: It's really great to hear of others' experiences, even for the so called "seasoned experts" [19:01] Paribus Habilis: How well did the SL technology (and all related technology that feeds it) support having experts/guest speakers and soforth, jeremy? Just today attended DrDobbs interview with Steve Fisher from Intel, but technical problems prevailed and they had to reschedule -- was this something you encountered? [19:01] Sunshine Sparrow: plan B is impt [19:01] MustangQuimby Messmer: BTW, Innovate Journal has a call for articles from Academics in SL--deadline is Jan 15, but the editor will negotiate a later submission date. [19:01] Geneva Watkins: We had some rough classes [19:01] Jeremy Braver: At times Paribus, but we had smaller numbers, which allowed easier access [19:01] Fleep Tuque: I like to think that there are really many many different learning styles and the tips you guys have shared will really help address the needs I might have missed. [19:02] MustangQuimby Messmer: Lost our voices, fell out of world, but never lost the spirit [19:02] Dalai Haskell: Yes, I agree [19:02] Sunshine Sparrow: yes [19:02] Dalai Haskell: Yes [19:02] Sunshine Sparrow: 4-6 SL [19:02] Corwin Carillon: Hi Joanna! [19:02] Dalai Haskell: Weekly [19:02] Bisbee Writer: Sunshine, I right-clicked on your t-shirt example, but I don't see an option to take a copy? [19:02] MustangQuimby Messmer: Yes, TH for two hours [19:02] Jeremy Braver: Fleep, to me, the biggest part was Mali allowing me to work on relevant projects that I'm passionate about [19:02] Sunshine Sparrow: can you buy it for 0L? [19:02] Geneva Watkins: I think 2 hours a week was about right. [19:02] Fleep Tuque: Joanna! [19:02] Geneva Watkins: We also had asynchronous through Blackboard. [19:03] Bisbee Writer: No, I don't see a buy option ether [19:03] Sunshine Sparrow: try buying now [19:03] Fleep Tuque: Nod Jeremy [19:03] Fleep Tuque: I think that's really key [19:03] Bisbee Writer: That worked, thanks!! [19:03] Geneva Watkins: I think we take that connection for granted, but a non-SL connection is important. [19:03] Sunshine Sparrow: great :) [19:03] Fleep Tuque: When you find something that really lights your fire, that's when SL draws you in and helps you engage with the material on a deeper level, I think. [19:03] Sunshine Sparrow: when you're comfortable with your classmates, it's easier too [19:03] Fleep Tuque: Constructing a model of some abstract concept becomes wholly different experience when you're really INTO that particular topic. [19:03] Jeremy Braver: asynchronous work supported our SL activities very well through the LMS [19:04] Sunshine Sparrow: I find that to be true in f2f classes as well, though [19:04] Fleep Tuque: IT becomes sort of creative fun, not just rote learning exercise. [19:04] Corwin Carillon: Jeremy, I did something the same (learner goal setting and choice embedded in prof/pers practice) as this with 25 others in an online action-research MEd in Networked Collaborative Learning in 98 [19:04] robrob McCoy: was there any discussion of sloodle in class [19:04] Lively Paderborn: One of the key concept for my class is online identity. they students just seem to get it better when we have the SL component [19:04] Jeremy Braver: agreed, Sunshne, I think that we all got along very well [19:04] Fleep Tuque: That's true, but at least personally, the act of creating things here adds a different dimension. [19:04] Dalai Haskell: It was still a clumsy mix, though. [19:05] Dalai Haskell: Not because of design, but because of the crash bug [19:05] Geneva Watkins: Jeremy Kabumpo was one of our guest speakers. [19:05] Corwin Carillon: agree fleep [19:05] Geneva Watkins: So, yes, sloodle came up ;) [19:05] Corwin Carillon: was a big attraction in MOOs too .. creating ... but the visual element here is a big enhancement [19:05] Dalai Haskell: Those of us who see the future typically, excuse the immaturity of the platform [19:06] Jeremy Braver: Plus, I got the opportunity to apply gaming to a learning couse, doesn't happen very often [19:06] Leslie Beaumont: I was visiting "There" today -- SL is pretty good ;-) [19:07] Geneva Watkins: To piggyback on Jeremy's praise of Lisa / Mali, I think she enabled us to see our investment in SL as a long-term one. [19:07] Corwin Carillon: Chris .... we dont 'know' so much as we have a feel for some ways it might be? [19:08] Geneva Watkins: That both made the hiccups seem more bearable, and helped us justify the effort. [19:08] Corwin Carillon: Chis = Dalai sorry [19:08] Sunshine Sparrow: TONS of time, bee ;) [19:09] Jeremy Braver: tell them that they need at least 6 hours in world b4 class Bee [19:09] Jeremy Braver: minimum [19:09] Geneva Watkins: It sounds a little hokey, but you should believe in SL if you want to run a class. You have to be ready to be calm. [19:09] CDB Barkley readies a body check [19:09] Lively Paderborn: Geneva-definately you have to be ready to handle the messiness [19:09] Sunshine Sparrow: 6 hours, Jeremy??! I think that honestly, it's so much more... [19:09] Geneva Watkins: bee Zimminy, I entered SL for the first time 3 days before the first class. [19:10] Geneva Watkins: I had to play catch-up like crazy [19:10] Jeremy Braver: agreed, Sunshine, but more than 6 is a great deal to require for a class [19:10] MustangQuimby Messmer: I felt like quitting after the first two classes [19:10] Geneva Watkins: I was not an RPG'er before [19:10] robrob McCoy: lol [19:10] Jeremy Braver: Foxes Rock!!! [19:10] Kavon Zenovka: I agree 6 hours is not accurate. For students where we did RL orientation it took less than 20 minutes [19:10] Sunshine Sparrow: You're right, but there's so much to know/do in order to "get by" [19:11] Zotarah Shepherd: I have found younger students adapt to SL quicker tham most teachers I know. [19:11] JoannaTrail Blazer: It very much depends on who these students are, their level of proficiency in other computer software, gaming experience even [19:11] Sunshine Sparrow: I felt like I conquered the world when I learned how to make a display like what I'm standing in front of...very very encouraging :) [19:11] Geneva Watkins: i can say, that it was very stressful at first, coming into the first meeting, i didn't know how to sit down. [19:11] Kavon Zenovka: The under 30 crowd did very well. But very few of our femaile students were gamers. [19:11] MustangQuimby Messmer: It happened somewhere along the way--I got over my clumsiness and got into the cool places [19:11] Corwin Carillon: and maybe attitudinally where they are in terms of willingness to experiement ... curiosity [19:11] Geneva Watkins: everyone else was sitting. [19:11] Lively Paderborn: I also feel that their own opinions about games influences their acclimation [19:12] Geneva Watkins: how large? [19:12] Dalai Haskell: he's large, alrught [19:12] Kavon Zenovka: Our gamers grew bored [19:12] Corwin Carillon: agree J [19:12] Kavon Zenovka: There were no quests - no win/lose [19:12] JoannaTrail Blazer: yes Corwin [19:12] Corwin Carillon: we have to be careful of paiting all students with one brush [19:12] Kavon Zenovka: Our females under 30 liked it as a social networking [19:13] MustangQuimby Messmer: Your voice is going [19:13] Geneva Watkins: the quest in SL is more like a goal in RL [19:13] Kavon Zenovka: We sent our students on quests [19:13] Robins Hermano: Do we have to create learning environemtns that are more game like? [19:13] Sunshine Sparrow: Dalai put his hand over Jeremy's mouth ;) [19:13] Sunshine Sparrow: depends on the subject, Robins [19:13] Jeremy Braver: agreed Corwin, just because we are gamers doesn't mean we will love SL [19:13] MustangQuimby Messmer: I agree w/ Geneva about the Goal remark [19:13] Zotarah Shepherd: Gamers expect rules. In SL we create our own "rules" and that requires a higher lever of thinking that many students do not understand. [19:14] Jeremy Braver: Not always Robins, but could be much more immersive environments [19:14] Lively Paderborn: almost too much choice, it overwhelms students new to the space [19:14] MustangQuimby Messmer: I keep losing chat and voice [19:14] Geneva Watkins: not just rules, zotarah. [19:14] Leslie Beaumont: do not underestimate the lecture model [19:14] Sunshine Sparrow: we talked about having some expected things, Lively [19:14] Zotarah Shepherd: True [19:14] JoannaTrail Blazer: For those who see it like a game, I try to frame SL as a platform, or an engine, with which many environments and experiences may be crafted. [19:14] Geneva Watkins: rules and the delicious complexity that they engender. [19:14] Robins Hermano: I'm struggling with how to keep students from getting bored, but also with coming up with a 'game' that would keep them engaged [19:15] Geneva Watkins: Robins, get them scripting! [19:15] Zotarah Shepherd: Creativity and collaboration too [19:15] Lively Paderborn: I treat sl like a study abroad immersive opportunity [19:15] Jeremy Braver: Have you allowed them to creat yet Robins? [19:15] Geneva Watkins: You'll find some rules there. [19:15] Corwin Carillon: (following on from Joanna) and thus *everyone* can (should?) see themselves as designers of learning experiences? [19:15] Geneva Watkins: Some structure, and some easy to define goals. [19:15] Robins Hermano: No, they'be been using stuff I've created, but that's something I'm going to try this semester [19:16] Geneva Watkins: Building has similar potential, with less technical requirement. [19:16] Kavon Zenovka: Lively - I do think SL can be a study abroad. That's why I believe a very scripted orientation can obliterate that type of experience. [19:16] Jeremy Braver: I found it very enticing to be challenged to create something that I would love that would also fit into the content [19:16] Geneva Watkins: But you can go to 1 fire animation class, and get very excited. [19:16] Robins Hermano: yes, ~200 this semester. So I don't "teach" in SL [19:16] Jeremy Braver: made me much more analytical of the material Robins [19:16] Lively Paderborn: excatly I tend to let students go on their own [19:17] Lively Paderborn: with some help, but then again I am with them in a lab the first couple of class periods [19:17] Lively Paderborn: this isn't a DL class but a RL class with SL components [19:17] Geneva Watkins: Sorry Kavon. I meant LSL script. Breathing live into objects. [19:17] Kavon Zenovka: We don't have a technology across the curriculum requirement at my college but learning to navigate a virtual world is a skill. [19:18] Lively Paderborn: I agree [19:18] CDB Barkley: Hey folks! [19:18] Dalai Haskell: Yes [19:18] CDB Barkley: Hasnt this been a great session? [19:18] Ilene Pratt: Yes! [19:18] Zotarah Shepherd: Part of teaching is expanding the source of information from just texts and teacher to the whole environment and SL offers a huge learning environment. [19:18] CDB Barkley: Let's give it up for our panel [19:18] JoannaTrail Blazer: hey CDB [19:18] Robins Hermano: Absolutely [19:18] JoannaTrail Blazer: sure has [19:18] Dalai Haskell: Rock on [19:18] JoannaTrail Blazer applauds [19:18] Lively Paderborn: Well done [19:18] CDB Barkley claps four paws [19:18] Fleep Tuque: Excellent work! [19:18] Geneva Watkins: you need to shutdown teh stadium lights CDB? [19:18] Bisbee Writer: Very good! [19:18] Zotarah Shepherd: Great!! Thank you all so much. [19:18] CDB Barkley: We have a second group coming here tomorrow at noon [19:18] Jeremy Braver: Thx for having us CDB, Larry [19:18] Corwin Carillon: thx panel and audience! [19:18] Geneva Watkins: We all do are part to save watts ;) [19:18] Bender Barkkorn: Great job everyone!! [19:18] Fleep Tuque: Thanks so much for sharing! [19:18] Paribus Habilis hoots and howls from the back row! [19:18] Sunshine Sparrow: they're not as good as us, though ;) [19:19] CDB Barkley: No y'all can stay, but this puppy needs to go out an play [19:19] Kavon Zenovka: thanks eveyone! [19:19] Lively Paderborn: where can we find the record for today [19:19] Robins Hermano: Thanks all [19:19] Dalai Haskell: I would like to invite you to subscribe to a podcast. "The Zen" of the Dalai Haskell is available to subscribe using RSS. [19:19] Leslie Beaumont: hi classmates [19:19] CDB Barkley: We will post a summary at http://sl.nmc.org/ [19:19] Geneva Watkins: This was great. It was great to see so many avs [19:19] Jeremy Braver: Someone needs to let the furries out back to take care of some business [19:19] bee Zimminy: Thanks [19:19] Dalai Haskell: Its centered around the teaching, learning, and building elements. But its also funny. Consider it edutainment. [19:19] Sunshine Sparrow: Dalai's podcasts are great, btw [19:19] CDB Barkley: And we also have an event here Thursday from the Grid Institute [19:19] Dalai Haskell: Interviews with do'ers and thinkers, reviews, animal husbandry demonstrations. [19:19] Sunshine Sparrow: HIGHLY entertaining [19:19] Zotarah Shepherd would like to see more of these [19:19] Fleep Tuque: Great to see you all, have a good evening! Or morning wherever you might be! [19:19] Dalai Haskell: http://dalaihaskell.libsyn.com [19:20] CDB Barkley: So please stick around and socialize or whatever [19:20] robrob McCoy: thanks all [19:20] Palani Allen: Thanks panel for sharing your experiences. [19:20] Paribus Habilis seconds two thumbs up on dalai's podcasts! [19:20] Robins Hermano: bye everyone, and thanks for a great discussion [19:20] CDB Barkley: Thanks again for coming [19:20] Leslie Beaumont: hi folkd [19:20] Leslie Beaumont: folks [19:20] CDB Barkley: The edu community here is fantastic [19:20] Geneva Watkins: easy on the edutainment stuff, dalai. [19:20] Dalai Haskell: I agree [19:20] Geneva Watkins: this is a hard core game [19:20] bee Zimminy: Hey Ruby are you still going to the "thing" tomorrow?