Teachers Buzz May 14 Transcript

From NMC-Campus

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[9:00] Corwin Carillon: ok welcome everyone ...
[9:00] Corwin Carillon: just a reminder ...
[9:00] Corwin Carillon: that this session is recorded and will be put on the wiki
[9:00] Corwin Carillon: can you please click the recorder in the middle to give your consent
[9:00] Ladyjane Plympton: i may not be able to stay long
[9:00] Corwin Carillon: ok ladyjane
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: So I'd like to welcome Blogspar ...
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: aka Will Richardson ...
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: Will tyvm for agreeing to be here :)
[9:01] Blogsar Lumpen: My pleasure...
[9:01] totally Vavoom: hear hear!
[9:01] Blogsar Lumpen: fun to do this.
[9:01] Corwin Carillon: Todays session is an open discussion ...
[9:02] Corwin Carillon: so be freewheeling and interactive folks :)
[9:02] Blogsar Lumpen: yes, please...
[9:02] Blogsar Lumpen: I'm just starting out in SL...
[9:02] totally Vavoom: perhaps will, you'd like to get things going by giving us a sense of what you make of SL so far?
[9:02] Corwin Carillon: Will's blog is http://www.weblogg-ed.com ...
[9:02] Blogsar Lumpen: Well...
[9:02] Corwin Carillon: and his main focus is K-12 ...
[9:03] Blogsar Lumpen: I think it's interesting on a number of levels.
[9:03] Blogsar Lumpen: But I'm not sure how I think of it from an ed standpoint.
[9:03] Blogsar Lumpen: Interested to hear from you all...
[9:03] Blogsar Lumpen: what you see as the potential...
[9:03] Blogsar Lumpen: for learning.
[9:03] totally Vavoom: Kevin!!!
[9:03] Abaris Brautigan: i think it's more of a challenge than the old text-based MOOs....
[9:03] Mel Krupinski: these kinds of session for one!
[9:03] Kevin Galbraith: Hi totally!
[9:03] Abaris Brautigan: b/c learning to build is an issue...
[9:04] Mel Krupinski: great advantage
[9:04] Blogsar Lumpen: yes...I can only build boxes!
[9:04] Abaris Brautigan: yet it may require us to collaborate....
[9:04] Abaris Brautigan: specialize...
[9:04] totally Vavoom: and I can't build anything at all!
[9:04] Mel Krupinski: we can teach you
[9:04] totally Vavoom: well, maybe boxes ;-)
[9:04] Abaris Brautigan: would that be a good thing?
[9:04] Abaris Brautigan: i.e. more collaboration/specialization
[9:04] LaDonna Link: Hello everyone --
[9:04] Ladyjane Plympton: but there are plenty of places you can go to learn how to build
[9:05] Blogsar Lumpen: I think small collaborations might work.
[9:05] Abaris Brautigan: yes but i'm thinking of learning curve....
[9:05] Blogsar Lumpen: Focused.
[9:05] totally Vavoom: Hi LaDonna, we're just geting started. Blogsar is asking us for our input on SL for ed
[9:05] Blogsar Lumpen: but the learning curve is pretty large.
[9:05] totally Vavoom: and I'd say inclination or even aptitude.
[9:05] Blogsar Lumpen: What I have found interesting...
[9:05] Blogsar Lumpen: is the social aspects of this.
[9:05] totally Vavoom: Not everybody may have the desire or the aptitude to build or script
[9:05] Abaris Brautigan: what would be nice if there were groups/teams willing to implement ideas conjuured by students...
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: not so much the building.
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: Many have told me...
[9:06] Corwin Carillon whispers "if you haven't clicked the recorder in the middle, please do to give your consent to being recorded" :)
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: that they feel less scared...
[9:06] totally Vavoom: so the question is how do we leverage the social side of this environement for learning?
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: to talk to people in here...
[9:06] Ilene Pratt: Yes, I find the collaboration aspect the most enticing.
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: that they would never...
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: walk up to folks in real life...
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: but here they do...
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: and the experiences have been really postitive...
[9:06] Blogsar Lumpen: on a number of levels.
[9:06] Farley Scarborough nods
[9:07] totally Vavoom: so it's a safe environment for the most part
[9:07] Blogsar Lumpen: yes...safe to get out of our own boxes...
[9:07] Blogsar Lumpen: in RL.
[9:07] totally Vavoom: or extend those boxes if we so choose ;-)
[9:07] Farley Scarborough: Nice pun.
[9:07] Blogsar Lumpen: I also am really interested in the way we talk about this space.
[9:08] Abaris Brautigan: what do you mean by that? "how we talk about this space?"
[9:08] Blogsar Lumpen: Esp the use of the word "life"
[9:08] Cristina Papp: hello everybody
[9:08] Blogsar Lumpen: We say that we meet people and work with them,...
[9:08] Farley Scarborough: Hi Cristina
[9:08] Blogsar Lumpen: But it's in a different world.
[9:08] Blogsar Lumpen: The assumptions don't change...
[9:09] Mel Krupinski: that's right because there are people behind the avatars - the assumptions shouldn't change
[9:09] Blogsar Lumpen: True to some extent...
[9:09] totally Vavoom: But does this environment make it easier to contend with those assumptions?
[9:09] Blogsar Lumpen: but it is a much different relationship.
[9:10] Mel Krupinski: i find initial interactions fun
[9:10] Mel Krupinski: but to go deeper is difficult
[9:10] totally Vavoom: Or do we make new ones after spending some time here?
[9:10] Blogsar Lumpen: me too...
[9:10] totally Vavoom: same here
[9:10] totally Vavoom: I actually find it very lonely in here
[9:10] Abaris Brautigan: going deeper depends on each person....
[9:10] Blogsar Lumpen: depth requires something else maybe (?)
[9:10] Mel Krupinski: trust?
[9:10] Abaris Brautigan: you can make deep connections. depends on the groups you're in....
[9:10] totally Vavoom: and time
[9:11] Mel Krupinski: yes time
[9:11] Blogsar Lumpen: Certainly it's a different context.
[9:11] Blogsar Lumpen: Wow...all these "people!"
[9:11] Mel Krupinski: i find the teachers, librarians very kind
[9:11] Blogsar Lumpen: Thanks for coming!
[9:11] Mel Krupinski: helpful
[9:11] Ross Mounier: Hello
[9:11] Blogsar Lumpen: Everyone is helpful...
[9:11] Ilene Pratt: When you meet new people at a conference, do you expect all the relatiomsips to be "deep?"
[9:12] Doug Whittaker: time :-) add SL to all your blogs you try to keep up with :-)
[9:12] Mel Krupinski: no
[9:12] Blogsar Lumpen: Ilene...no...but maybe that's an assumption...
[9:12] Awna Mission: Shared goals... like any healthy community of practice, it all starts with shared goals... the particular medium used is just gravy. :)
[9:12] Blogsar Lumpen: I have here...
[9:12] Blogsar Lumpen: this is more than a conference.
[9:12] totally Vavoom: Should we treat it as a conference?
[9:12] Blogsar Lumpen: Awna...right.
[9:12] totally Vavoom: No Ilene, but then, is SL akin to a conference?
[9:12] Mel Krupinski: i don't see it as a conference
[9:12] Mel Krupinski: i am getting to know people
[9:13] Abaris Brautigan: it depends on who you bump into repeatedly.... at various events... and if you do work together.
[9:13] Mel Krupinski: and talk to people of similar backgrounds from all over
[9:13] Doug Whittaker: i don't see it as a conference,... it's more like a platform.
[9:13] Ilene Pratt: I'm just wondering about expectations. Why would we expect every relationship on SL to deepen?
[9:13] Mel Krupinski: not every one
[9:13] Tetero Lesse: My experience with SL was more focused, as part of a project group. We got to know each other and establish real relationships.
[9:13] Abaris Brautigan: e.g. i recognize a few names in this crowd....
[9:13] Mel Krupinski: that's what I'm looking for
[9:13] Mel Krupinski: a group
[9:13] Mel Krupinski: or project
[9:13] Mel Krupinski: then go deeper
[9:14] Mel Krupinski: that makes sense
[9:14] Blogsar Lumpen: Mel...go deeper in SL or extend those relationships out to RL?
[9:14] Mel Krupinski: yes
[9:14] Ladyjane Plympton: excuse me folks, i have to leave - wrong end of the day for me :-)
[9:14] Farley Scarborough: Bye ladyjane
[9:14] Tetero Lesse: I think what's needed for that is someone to provide a pedagogical vision and related tasks
[9:14] Mel Krupinski: my fellow librarians
[9:14] Mel Krupinski: are grouping as greeters
[9:14] Mel Krupinski: on info island
[9:14] Mel Krupinski: getting to know some very well
[9:15] Mel Krupinski: and i may know them from rl
[9:15] Abaris Brautigan: extending outside to RL depends on geographic proximity. i was introduced to SL by a prof who works down the road from my work place...
[9:15] Abaris Brautigan: then we worked together in SL...
[9:15] ProfJ Merlin: It would seem that SL has certain strengths and weaknesses, we should at first explore the strengths.
[9:15] Blogsar Lumpen: and I guess that is the one thing...
[9:15] Blogsar Lumpen: that is powerful here...
[9:15] Davis Stastny is Online
[9:15] Blogsar Lumpen: the connections you can make.
[9:15] Mel Krupinski: i think so
[9:15] Mel Krupinski: yes
[9:16] Blogsar Lumpen: The affinities.
[9:16] Ilene Pratt: I ended up meeting someone who works across teh street from me - Met him on Second Life first!
[9:16] totally Vavoom: So in the context of education, how do we leverage these affinities for our students?
[9:16] Abaris Brautigan: Good question...
[9:16] totally Vavoom: what do we want them to learn when they are here
[9:16] Mel Krupinski: i am now working closely with a student because of sl
[9:16] ProfJ Merlin: SL does enable you to transcend the superficial barriers of RL.
[9:16] Mel Krupinski: otherwise i would never have worked with him
[9:16] Abaris Brautigan: I attended a Writing 101 class and interviewed some of the students about their topics....
[9:16] Tetero Lesse: Blogsar, was wondering if you see any of what you've learned teaching with blogs applying to SL.
[9:16] Abaris Brautigan: This gave them some sense of a broader audience outside of their instructor.
[9:17] Blogsar Lumpen: Tetero...that's a hard question...
[9:17] Blogsar Lumpen: Synchronous space is much different
[9:17] Blogsar Lumpen: This conversation right now is much more challenging...
[9:17] ProfJ Merlin: Do you see the next generation of online schools evolving from SL soon.
[9:18] Blogsar Lumpen: But I think...
[9:18] Awna Mission: So, a lot of the observations being made here about SL are the same as folks have said of MUDs and MOOs, IRC, community bulletin boards... is there anything particularly unique of different about vitual worlds like SL?
[9:18] Blogsar Lumpen: that there is something to be said...
[9:18] Blogsar Lumpen: for being able to make connections...
[9:18] Blogsar Lumpen: with people who you can then begin...
[9:18] Blogsar Lumpen: to think with in RL as well.
[9:18] totally Vavoom: I think it's the sense of presence that makes SL unique
[9:18] Abaris Brautigan: I think the potential for allegorical/analogical thinking in VR spaces is very powerful.
[9:18] ProfJ Merlin: True
[9:18] Blogsar Lumpen: yes
[9:18] totally Vavoom: as blogsar says, I can take back today's intereaction to work with him in the future
[9:18] Blogsar Lumpen: But that is some serious pedagogy...
[9:19] Abaris Brautigan: In MOOs it was much easier b/c object-oriented (easy to create new objects)
[9:19] Doug Whittaker: this one is different in that the entire environments are created by the users. It could be anything (the environment).
[9:19] totally Vavoom: I can build on it
[9:19] ProfJ Merlin: It is the frame work.
[9:19] Blogsar Lumpen: that's needed before bringing schools in here.
[9:19] ProfJ Merlin: How limiting is the broad band issue?
[9:19] Abaris Brautigan: e.g represent Freud's id, ego, and superego in a MOO... as an assignment, was not hard to do (create rooms, containers, etc.) but would be hard here.
[9:19] Blogsar Lumpen: If this were a classroom...
[9:19] Farley Scarborough: Hey Shu!
[9:20] Blogsar Lumpen: what would we need to prepare our kids in terms of using it well?
[9:20] Awna Mission: I think we'll likely find that our kids will be farrrr ahead of us in knowing how to use this medium! lol
[9:20] Corwin Carillon: framworks ... but ease back on control
[9:21] Blogsar Lumpen: probably right.
[9:21] Doug Whittaker: i wouldn't think much, but the evironment would have to be controlled, to some degree, by the "teacher"
[9:21] Blogsar Lumpen: We should let them figure it out.
[9:21] Blogsar Lumpen: and teach us!
[9:21] totally Vavoom: true, i think the nice part of this medium is the opporunity for exploriation it provides
[9:21] Doug Whittaker: correct :-)
[9:21] Lyr Lobo: basic information on camera controls, navigation, textures and tools (about 30-60 minutes of information), then exposure to various stimuli so their minds are soaring
[9:21] Awna Mission: Exactly Blogsar!
[9:21] Corwin Carillon: and collaboration...
[9:21] Corwin Carillon: and creativity
[9:21] Tetero Lesse: Do/will kids bring resources that would make it easier for them than it is for us to engage in this sort of discussion?
[9:21] Abaris Brautigan: or pre-fab environments like the ones Lyr creates....
[9:21] ProfJ Merlin: SL has the risk of degenerating into a video game if we are not smart about the design.
[9:21] totally Vavoom: and exploration, learning is, after all, a social experinece
[9:22] Corwin Carillon: exactly lyr
[9:22] Blogsar Lumpen: I've heard...
[9:22] Blogsar Lumpen: some really interesting...
[9:22] Blogsar Lumpen: uses with students already...
[9:22] Blogsar Lumpen: that I think show potential.
[9:22] Kristy Flanagan: Like what?
[9:22] Blogsar Lumpen: Having kids from disparate places...
[9:23] Blogsar Lumpen: meet in second life...
[9:23] Blogsar Lumpen: construct their cultures...
[9:23] Blogsar Lumpen: give tours and guidance...
[9:23] Blogsar Lumpen: about how they live.
[9:23] KellyKate Flanagan: do you see it as an ancillary to IDL?
[9:23] Blogsar Lumpen: Very cool stuff.
[9:23] totally Vavoom: oh how cool!
[9:23] totally Vavoom: KellyKate, IDL?
[9:23] Abaris Brautigan: Such assignments would require some meta-knowledge about "culture" and their own culture....
[9:23] KellyKate Flanagan: interactive distance learning?
[9:23] Emmadw Rickenbacker: (What's IDL?)
[9:23] totally Vavoom: thanks :-)
[9:23] Blogsar Lumpen: But it's kids teaching kids...
[9:24] Blogsar Lumpen: and very empowering, I would think.
[9:24] Abaris Brautigan: students becoming teachers is KEY....
[9:24] ProfJ Merlin: True
[9:24] Corwin Carillon: cyes
[9:24] Doug Whittaker: or how about an envirnoment where the avatars (students) are bacteria and antibiotics and they have to compete against each other in a specific environmental "body" :-)
[9:24] Corwin Carillon: students becoming mentors and coaches too ...
[9:24] Abaris Brautigan: Letting them teach us teachers is empowering too....
[9:24] Corwin Carillon: not just teachers
[9:24] Blogsar Lumpen: That's one of the things I love...
[9:24] Blogsar Lumpen: about the Read/Write Web...
[9:24] Lyr Lobo: Fun one, Doug
[9:24] Mel Krupinski: me too
[9:24] Blogsar Lumpen: is that it can be so empowering...
[9:24] totally Vavoom: on the flip side then, do teachers today need to get up to speed with this space to keep up with thier students?
[9:24] ProfJ Merlin: Multi-modal learning could be configured in SL.
[9:24] Blogsar Lumpen: to have kids teach.
[9:24] Lyr Lobo: Immersive learning assignments...where students are part of the subject under study
[9:25] Corwin Carillon: great idea Doug
[9:25] Blogsar Lumpen: You guys are waaaayyyyy ahead of most
[9:25] Blogsar Lumpen: in terms of SL right now.
[9:25] Blogsar Lumpen: Only about 20% of the audiences...
[9:25] Blogsar Lumpen: I present to have even...
[9:25] Blogsar Lumpen: heard of SL.
[9:25] Kevin Galbraith agrees with Blogsar.
[9:25] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Exactly - I can see many teachers/ lecturers would find the idea of the studnets teaching them far too challenging.
[9:25] Abaris Brautigan: Robert Sylwester's book A BIOLOGICAL BRAIN IN A CULTURAL CLASSROOM talks about the classroom as a biological metaphor....
[9:25] Corwin Carillon: less for me Blogsar
[9:25] Corwin Carillon: although the may now HiPiHi
[9:25] Corwin Carillon: the Chinese SL
[9:26] ProfJ Merlin: All human history is comprised of stories. The human brain is designed for stories. SL simulations could tap into that readily.
[9:26] Blogsar Lumpen: Yes...absolutley.
[9:26] Corwin Carillon: story is one type of memory though .. not the only one
[9:26] ProfJ Merlin: China is coming on fast. They have just installed best in world fiber capability.
[9:26] Tetero Lesse: Any thoughts about the segregation of teens and adults in SL?
[9:26] Doug Whittaker: that's one other thing that is neat about SL is that it allows us to create an environment for our stories...one more important hook for our learnings
[9:27] ProfJ Merlin: Yes---how can you segregate without ID checking and then it is not 100%.
[9:27] Blogsar Lumpen: One question for me right now..
[9:27] Awna Mission: Right.. see Shank's "Tell me a story" for more on that front Doug.
[9:27] totally Vavoom: but how do you convice someone who teaches in face to face environment to take the plunge to this psace?
[9:27] Blogsar Lumpen: is how does SL learning...
[9:27] Blogsar Lumpen: 'translate into RL learning.
[9:27] totally Vavoom: read my mind Blogsar!
[9:28] Blogsar Lumpen: Is SL collaboration that same as RL collaboration?
[9:28] Blogsar Lumpen: Etc.
[9:28] ProfJ Merlin: Great question! SL is now making a dent in the negative view of 3D worlds.
[9:28] Abaris Brautigan: there's the potential for "experiential" learning too. like the simulation of schizophrenia
[9:28] totally Vavoom: well,?my studdnts last year said it was easier to ahve a clss discussion in here than face to face :-)
[9:29] Blogsar Lumpen: Abaris...but is that done better in 3D than in some other 2D space?
[9:29] ProfJ Merlin: Using the interface between SL and the web we can gradually incorporate the technology one piece at a time.
[9:29] KellyKate Flanagan: that is why I was wondering about building on existing IDL networks?
[9:29] Doug Whittaker: any ways we can get "our" content to students, taking advantage of learning, outsiide of the fourwalls is a positive..whether it's Moodle, or bloggin, or SL....:Engagement" with the content is key
[9:29] Blogsar Lumpen: Although...
[9:29] Corwin Carillon: Blogsar in what way(s) do you think it differs?
[9:29] ProfJ Merlin: Yes-----pragmatist ----use the best availbale technology.
[9:29] Blogsar Lumpen: I really believe it's less about content...
[9:30] Blogsar Lumpen: than it is about context...
[9:30] Blogsar Lumpen: and I think SL creates some ...
[9:30] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Yes - to the engagement - and the range of tools - not all students may have broadbanc access at home - assuming they have a compuer that will run it.
[9:30] totally Vavoom: how so blogsar?
[9:30] Blogsar Lumpen: interesting new contexts...
[9:30] Blogsar Lumpen: fora ll of this.
[9:30] ProfJ Merlin: SL does present a HUGE cognitive lever in terms of visual interactions.
[9:30] totally Vavoom: agree emmadw
[9:31] ProfJ Merlin: I fear that I may dream in SL if exposed long enough. :)
[9:31] Lyr Lobo chuckles
[9:31] Blogsar Lumpen: ha
[9:31] totally Vavoom: lol!
[9:31] Farley Scarborough: I fear I already do.
[9:31] Doug Whittaker: Merlin..there are already people that have described this and documented it :-)
[9:31] totally Vavoom: bryan alexander recently had a post about the empty spaces in SL
[9:31] ProfJ Merlin: Great! :) lol
[9:31] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Profj -you['ll have a student coming into class in Rag week wearing a racoon costume & you'll be totally confused!
[9:31] Lyr Lobo: My dreams are blended...just as I am...
[9:32] totally Vavoom: Does anybbody here think SL is a lonely place?
[9:32] Lyr Lobo: I do not
[9:32] Mel Krupinski: no
[9:32] ProfJ Merlin: Research indicates memory records the bizarre, not the mundane.
[9:32] Blogsar Lumpen: I'm not sure lonely is the right word for how I feel.
[9:32] Lyr Lobo: but then, I belong to very active groups and have to work hard to find quiet and focus.... *laughs*
[9:32] Emmadw Rickenbacker: vavoon - not really, it's easeir to talk to strangers here than it is in RL. And if they are too weird, you can telelport elsewhere!
[9:32] Tetero Lesse: say more about lonely vavoom
[9:33] Mel Krupinski: we get interrupted by visitors all the time at my librar
[9:33] Mel Krupinski: library
[9:33] Mel Krupinski: we had to build a sky place for work
[9:33] Lyr Lobo: I welcome IMs and interruptions, but have not felt lonely here... I have moments when I am alone...
[9:33] ProfJ Merlin: There are extensive security controls.
[9:33] totally Vavoom: well, in your conv blogsar, you mentined sitting in your office alone, often times, in SL. Similarly, there are other empty spaces
[9:33] Blogsar Lumpen: Lonely not as in being alone, right?
[9:33] Awna Mission: Vavoom.. have you heard of the "playing together, alone" phenonemon? The vast majority of online gaming, virtual worlds, etc... in WoW, most quests are done alone, yet everyone wants to be where everyone else is... sort of the online version of the empty restaurant effect.
[9:33] Lyr Lobo: ahh alone, yes...but lonely? hmmm
[9:33] totally Vavoom: are you lonly at those points, or are they opporunities to focus?
[9:33] Doug Whittaker: SL is a big place and you can find empty spaces...
[9:34] Mel Krupinski: and i am lonely at my workplace in rl
[9:34] totally Vavoom: exactly, alone or empty?
[9:34] Lyr Lobo: focus, Totally *grins*
[9:34] Blogsar Lumpen: But wait...why would you find empty spaces in SL?
[9:34] Doug Whittaker: but it is very easy to find interesting conversations...many revolving around education and learning!
[9:34] Ilene Pratt: It took me a while to find the other librarians - and at first it seemed like nothing much was happening on SL
[9:34] Blogsar Lumpen: Doesn't that kind of go against the whole point?
[9:34] totally Vavoom: aha! but there are plenty
[9:34] ProfJ Merlin: Alone in a crowd,
[9:34] totally Vavoom: exactly, so why are they there?
[9:34] Blogsar Lumpen: I'drather find those empty spaces in RL.
[9:34] Awna Mission: exactly Merlin
[9:35] Abaris Brautigan: Blogsar, this thread goes back a bit: the schizophrenia simulation titled "Virtual Hallucination" and sponsored by UC Davis....
[9:35] Lyr Lobo: Hmm I feel part of so many communities...that when I visit a new space or group, it is refreshing to mix or not mix in an unanticipated fashion
[9:35] Farley Scarborough: Empty space are wonderful when you are building and scripting
[9:35] totally Vavoom: but are they wonderful if you're just sitting in your office waiting for someone :-)
[9:35] Lyr Lobo: yes, it is hard to respond to IMs and chats when scripting... I wind up writing in the wrong window and breaking concentration
[9:35] Abaris Brautigan: let's you "directly" experience the kinds of hallucinations (aural and visual) that schizophrenics report to have. I think this IS different than RL... It would be hard to do that in RL.
[9:36] Lyr Lobo: Hmm, I have so few idle moments... *chuckles*
[9:36] Blogsar Lumpen: Abaris...which takes me back...
[9:36] Blogsar Lumpen: to the questions...
[9:36] Blogsar Lumpen: of what translates from SL to RL.
[9:36] ProfJ Merlin: Educationally short of buying our own land, how do you start an SL school?
[9:36] Blogsar Lumpen: Just trying to explore that more deeply...
[9:36] totally Vavoom: and I for one am still figuring that out :-)
[9:36] Lyr Lobo: well it depends on whether you mean logically or physically, Profj
[9:37] Awna Mission: Well, it's kind of hard to teleport in RL Blogsar. ;)
[9:37] ProfJ Merlin: Physically to start.
[9:37] Blogsar Lumpen: haha
[9:37] Doug Whittaker: starting a school...? This could be considered a school...right now...just in time :-)
[9:37] Blogsar Lumpen: True
[9:37] ProfJ Merlin: True
[9:37] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Profj - we're renting land (in NMC 3 as i happens_ Qute a few people just use open spaces ...
[9:37] Blogsar Lumpen: And I wonder how effective it is being rightnow.
[9:37] Victoria Gloucester is Offline
[9:37] totally Vavoom: but what about setting up the framework for the students, would that be harder or esier here?
[9:37] Lyr Lobo: you can have classes meet in sandboxes or set up a colaboration with other educators and some space for your materials (for asynchronous learners who meet..anytime/anyplace)
[9:38] Tetero Lesse: Blogsar, suppose there is no xfer between RL and SL. Could the skills learned in SL still be useful (for electroinc reality)?
[9:38] Abaris Brautigan: no need for a school to be in one location.... or to own the land....
[9:38] Blogsar Lumpen: I'msure they could...
[9:38] Blogsar Lumpen: and I'm sure there are "literacies" gained in here...
[9:38] Blogsar Lumpen: that might prepare students...
[9:38] Blogsar Lumpen: for their future "lives"...
[9:39] Blogsar Lumpen: as well.
[9:39] Abaris Brautigan: one can be a nomad professor, creating course content and advertising for students: like theperipatetic philosophers...
[9:39] Doug Whittaker: It's probably a good idea if it wasn't always in the same place...Wouldn't we love that ability in RL?
[9:39] Blogsar Lumpen: The hard part rightnow...
[9:39] Blogsar Lumpen: is trying to figure out...
[9:39] ProfJ Merlin: Data on some level will be the lever that moves mainstream schools into a 3D world.
[9:39] Blogsar Lumpen: what they are going to need in their "lives"...
[9:39] Blogsar Lumpen: both online and off.
[9:40] ProfJ Merlin: We need to show the data supports the idea that 3D works.
[9:40] Corwin Carillon: dealing with complexity .. making decisions in short timeframe with limited information around wicked problems
[9:40] Abaris Brautigan: there's a recent report from teh Federation of American Scientists about using video games in education...
[9:40] totally Vavoom: blogsar, that holds true for a lot of the technologies right now I think, not just SL
[9:40] ProfJ Merlin: RL costs are out of control.
[9:40] Blogsar Lumpen: I think we need to show that 3D is going to be an important part of the way they work and communicate.
[9:41] Doug Whittaker: yes there are sims in RL that focus on tings such as emergency repsponse to disasters, etc.
[9:41] KellyKate Flanagan: as well as teaching how flexible we all need to be :-)
[9:41] Blogsar Lumpen: yes
[9:41] Corwin Carillon: did we with the web 12 years ago Blogsar?
[9:41] Blogsar Lumpen: It was hard to see back then as well...
[9:41] Corwin Carillon: yep
[9:41] Blogsar Lumpen: Few could have predicted this...
[9:41] Doug Whittaker: but the data that shows the effectiiveness of them I have not seen. Just that you can do things here that you could not do in RL
[9:41] Farley Scarborough: Gartner predicts that 80% of internet users will be in some sort of SL-like environment by 2011.
[9:41] Corwin Carillon: more a conviction and passion and gut feel it was going to be important
[9:41] Blogsar Lumpen: And there are lots of things we thought were going to work that didin't
[9:41] Abaris Brautigan: who's gartner?
[9:42] Awna Mission: Re the skills and literacies learned here, JSB would say they're very similar to RL teaming, collaboration, work, life..
[9:42] Farley Scarborough: Gartner is a company that tracks technology trends
[9:42] Awna Mission: as in "you play world of warcarft, you're hired!" : http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.04/learn.html
[9:42] ProfJ Merlin: The technology has been here since about 1998 or before, but we lacked the bandwidth.
[9:42] Corwin Carillon: similar Awna but online is also diff
[9:42] Abaris Brautigan: 4/5 of the jobs in teh future haven't been created yet....
[9:42] Abaris Brautigan: some businesses are advertising in here already....
[9:42] Awna Mission: agree corwin
[9:42] Abaris Brautigan: so SL will become part of a marketing degree...
[9:43] Doug Whittaker: however there seems to be a strong contigency of higher ed getting into SL. Hopefully the data they we be evaluating will show the effectiveness of imersive environments like SL
[9:43] Blogsar Lumpen: So for my 7 and 9 year old kids...
[9:43] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Doug -how much information is there that people in a SL simulation of a disasater perform as in the real situation? I was tihnking of a thing I saw on TV - simluating getting off an aeroplane in an emergency. The first time that they did it, everyone linedup & got off efficiently. The seond time, they told everyone that the first however many off would get ?5; it was chaos - much omre like triying to evacuate a real emergency, took longer, people got hurt etc. And that's for ?5 - not your life....
[9:43] Blogsar Lumpen: what will they be doing in 3d?
[9:43] Corwin Carillon: you can't say effectiveness broadly ...
[9:43] totally Vavoom: the question is, where WOW offers the opporunity to learn those skills because it's a game, hoiw do we leverage SL to do the same?
[9:43] Ross Mounier: And our avatars will be able to movein and out of the various 3d envrironments - the web may mostly be 3d
[9:44] KellyKate Flanagan: in working with pre-service teachers, the hardest thing to teach them about RL ed is flexibility
[9:44] Corwin Carillon: you would have to say in what ways / contexts / tasks / outcomes ... it is effective
[9:44] KellyKate Flanagan: so I'm hoping getting them in here next fall will assist with helping them understand that flexibility "requirement"
[9:44] Blogsar Lumpen: Could our students track this conversation right now?
[9:44] Blogsar Lumpen: (I'm having trouble...) ;0)
[9:44] ProfJ Merlin: When we have world calss internet speeds of 100 mps or more many more interesting interfaces become possible.
[9:44] Corwin Carillon: flexibility in what sense KellyKate
[9:45] Awna Mission: You mean our "twitch-speed" learners Blogsar? :)
[9:45] KellyKate Flanagan: not being able to control what will happen next, Corwin
[9:45] Corwin Carillon: Blogsar they are more used to it than is ...
[9:45] KellyKate Flanagan: ie a classroom is not a multiple choice test
[9:45] ProfJ Merlin: Today in the U.S. we are about 23 rd in Internet speed.
[9:45] Corwin Carillon: mluti-threaded conversations in caht
[9:45] Corwin Carillon: \chat
[9:45] Corwin Carillon: ... some are
[9:45] Doug Whittaker: Emmanda...but what a great lesson those people inthe simulaton got. They will never forget that activity. And because they addressed it hopefully they will be wiser in the event of something like this in RL
[9:45] Blogsar Lumpen: They're not as twitch speed as we think...
[9:46] Corwin Carillon: hmm
[9:46] Corwin Carillon: depends where geographically
[9:46] Corwin Carillon: in EU and in Asia ..
[9:46] KellyKate Flanagan: I wonder if students are more inner-directed because they are used to technology bringing the world to them?
[9:46] Awna Mission: And actually, as a group sync chat session, the SL interface is pretty poor... many would say that a good IRC client offers a much better experience to do just what we're doing here.
[9:46] totally Vavoom: I agre blogsar, and they are not as aware of web 2.0 or anything else as we would like to think
[9:46] Blogsar Lumpen: by that i mean...
[9:46] Corwin Carillon: I would say more
[9:46] Blogsar Lumpen: they cand chat and IM...
[9:46] Emmadw Rickenbacker: corwin - have they done any analysis of how many conversations are actually going on in a chat room with lots of people - are there severa different threads, or is it a single conversation.
[9:46] Blogsar Lumpen: but it's communicaton...
[9:46] Tetero Lesse: It's interesting to me that we have to deal wiht that question entirely hypothetically (kids follow multi threads).
[9:46] Blogsar Lumpen: not so much tracking/thnking like this.
[9:47] Doug Whittaker: voice is supposed to be coming to SL this Summer I hear
[9:47] ProfJ Merlin: Like a giant brainstorm session? :)
[9:47] Krysta Kelley: I've been wondering about this chat vs others....this is not as efficient but I like looking around to see where the words come from...odd, eh?
[9:47] Emmadw Rickenbacker: yes, giant brainstorm!
[9:47] Corwin Carillon: emma ... I'm not sure .,..
[9:47] Tetero Lesse: Yes voice could change things a lot.
[9:47] Corwin Carillon: this is anecdotal from observation on my part
[9:47] ProfJ Merlin: Voice would impose certain limits.
[9:48] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Still not sure about voce - I can see pros & cons ....
[9:48] Awna Mission: Yes Krysta... the affordances the 3D world offers does make for something unique over a simple text chat session
[9:48] Corwin Carillon: and conversations with students in Hong Kong and EU
[9:48] Blogsar Lumpen: I think voice will be touch for many
[9:48] Blogsar Lumpen: tough
[9:48] KellyKate Flanagan: and China and Kansas, corwin!
[9:48] Corwin Carillon: :)
[9:48] totally Vavoom: why blogsar?
[9:48] Lyr Lobo: I learn and listen a lot better with multichannel chats ... as I need to actively participate to listen...when I grow quiet, I am not listening *chuckles*
[9:48] totally Vavoom: why would voice be tough?
[9:48] Krysta Kelley: I sat in on the voice beta with NMC a few weeks ago, it was pretty cool. IT DID KILL THE CHAT THOUGH
[9:48] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Anwa - and others, do you have it set so that the speech is over people - or in a single thread - I go for the single thread, as I find bubbles too hard.
[9:49] Lyr Lobo: Krysta, I still need a written record of class/chat accomplishments...
[9:49] Lyr Lobo: so in our teamspeak SL class sessions
[9:49] Blogsar Lumpen: Just that it takes away some anonymity.
[9:49] Lyr Lobo: we use both
[9:49] ProfJ Merlin: Lyr--My brain tracks at most 2 threads at a time. :)
[9:49] Doug Whittaker: single thread..that's what I'm used too :-)
[9:49] Corwin Carillon: they will have voice disuguise blogsar
[9:49] Awna Mission: i'm in a single, flat UI... for a large group like this trhying to talk, the bubbles are too hard for me to stay on top
[9:49] Lyr Lobo grins
[9:49] Corwin Carillon: you can choose an animated voice if you want
[9:49] Emmadw Rickenbacker: voice: Tough for anyone who wants to be a diff gender to real, diff for anyone who's got a hearing problem, good for someone who's dyslexic/ type way too slow.
[9:49] Blogsar Lumpen: How do you make bubbles.
[9:49] Blogsar Lumpen: ?
[9:50] Corwin Carillon: change your preferences Blogsar
[9:50] Lyr Lobo: ahh I'm not using the bubbles...I use them when I want to listen to SL in a manner consistent with watching a play unfold
[9:50] totally Vavoom: yeah, how do you make bubbles? I have a flat UI too
[9:50] Blogsar Lumpen: Where?
[9:50] Lyr Lobo: the bubbles are nice for directing my attention to who is speaking...and what gestures they are using...
[9:51] Corwin Carillon: Edit -> Preferences -> Genera;
[9:51] Lyr Lobo: so I use them on the teen grid for work with the students there
[9:51] Corwin Carillon: General .. I think
[9:51] Awna Mission: "show chat bubbles' in "chat" prefs
[9:51] totally Vavoom: oh lord, I can't handle bubbles, my head's swivelling all over the place!
[9:51] Lyr Lobo: yes
[9:51] Lyr Lobo: hehe bubbles are hard in groups this large
[9:51] Blogsar Lumpen: omg
[9:51] Blogsar Lumpen: that's insane
[9:51] Lyr Lobo: told ya...cognitive overload
[9:51] totally Vavoom: I'm linear!
[9:51] Corwin Carillon: sorry Edit -> Preferences -> Chat ...
[9:51] Lyr Lobo: I'm multichannel, but limited to 6
[9:52] Blogsar Lumpen: waaayyy too much stuff going on.
[9:52] Corwin Carillon: for a role-play it useful
[9:52] ProfJ Merlin: What is max group size to be effective Lyr?
[9:52] Kevin Galbraith: Bubbles (with History window open) work for me!
[9:52] Corwin Carillon: not for this speed of chat
[9:52] Lyr Lobo: Hmm chat bubbles? well for our courtroom scenes in Ramapo..they were very effective
[9:52] Lyr Lobo: and cool for machinima too
[9:52] Lyr Lobo: in that setting, not everyone is speaking at once
[9:52] Lyr Lobo: similar to a Play unfolding...
[9:52] Corwin Carillon: yep ... more scripted role-plays
[9:52] Lyr Lobo: so it isn't the size, but the behavior
[9:52] Emmadw Rickenbacker: that sounds good, Lyr
[9:52] totally Vavoom: yeah, that would work, or smaill one-two person type interactions
[9:53] Blogsar Lumpen: Lyr...how many of your students and teachers are using SL?
[9:53] Awna Mission: Kevin.. that's an interesting combination... trying it out now myself.
[9:53] totally Vavoom: is anybody else feel like they're typing through molasses?
[9:53] Lyr Lobo: I am... my students? let's see... 7, 11, 12, 17 and 10... about 57 at first
[9:53] Corwin Carillon is always in cognitive molasses
[9:53] totally Vavoom: lol Corwin
[9:53] Lyr Lobo: how many continued to use it after classes? about 25%
[9:53] Kevin Galbraith: Awna - I've also got my IM window going for some other discussions right now.
[9:54] Kevin Galbraith: :)
[9:54] Blogsar Lumpen: What % of their work in SL?
[9:54] Awna Mission: you are a multi-tasker Kevin! lol
[9:54] ProfJ Merlin: Lyr--Is your school a not for profit configuration?
[9:54] Lyr Lobo: I have two monitors going and am writing a variety of things *grins*
[9:54] Lyr Lobo: for profit
[9:54] totally Vavoom: Kevin, that I could handle, because it's a different interface,
[9:55] Lyr Lobo: as to other instructors, we have 3 who have used SL
[9:55] Blogsar Lumpen: ARe you seeing soemthing in SL that RL doesn't offer?
[9:55] Lyr Lobo: (it grows quiet and I wonder if I have crashed)
[9:55] Lyr Lobo: yes
[9:56] Davis Stastny is Offline
[9:56] Lyr Lobo: better online team projects *laughs*
[9:56] Blogsar Lumpen: ha
[9:56] Blogsar Lumpen: I bet
[9:56] Awna Mission: well, gotta run... will check out the transcript to see what I missed... nice seeing you all, anc thanks for the convo Blogsar!
[9:56] Corwin Carillon: Everyone, we are coming close to the hour and before I forget ... I want to thank you all and Blogspar for a very lively discussion ...
[9:56] Lyr Lobo: even ones that exceed the small group work... had one with 12 students participating
[9:56] Doug Whittaker: no...htis is justthat silent akward moment LOL
[9:56] Lyr Lobo: Thank you *grins* Fun session
[9:56] ProfJ Merlin: I tend to see simulation as the ideal learning tool, SL starts to enable that.
[9:56] KellyKate Flanagan: thx, Blogsar!
[9:56] Ross Mounier: Thank you - this has been very interesting
[9:56] Corwin Carillon: Blogsar ....
[9:56] Blogsar Lumpen: Cool...
[9:56] Kevin Galbraith: Thanks
[9:56] Blogsar Lumpen: thanks everyone!~
[9:56] Corwin Carillon: after this finger tapping hour ...
[9:56] Awna Mission: thanks to everyone... see you online!
[9:56] totally Vavoom: Thanks everybody! Great discussion!
[9:57] Blogsar Lumpen: I learned a lot...
[9:57] ProfJ Merlin: I have worked in simulation since 1993.
[9:57] Blogsar Lumpen: thanks
[9:57] Corwin Carillon: what are some key impressions you are leaving with?
[9:57] Mark Longstaff: thanks...
[9:57] Emmadw Rickenbacker: Thanks - useful (and I agree with the typing in treacle!)
[9:57] Palani Allen: Thank you! Very interesting!
[9:57] Blogsar Lumpen: That there are a lot of questions to explore...
[9:57] Lyr Lobo smiles at the fellow Superscape VRT user
[9:57] ProfJ Merlin: Yes VRT home.:)
[9:57] Tetero Lesse: thanks Blogsar
[9:57] Mel Krupinski: thanks blogsar
[9:57] LaDonna Link: Thanks -
[9:57] Emmadw Rickenbacker: thanks blogsar
[9:58] Corwin Carillon: ... and the answers lie with our students?
[9:58] Blogsar Lumpen: yep
[9:58] totally Vavoom: heh :-)
[9:58] Blogsar Lumpen: no doubt
[9:58] Corwin Carillon: :) tyvm Blogsar!
[9:58] Corwin Carillon: this has been a blast ...
[9:58] Corwin Carillon: ty everyone!
[9:58] Blogsar Lumpen: my pleasure...where will the transcript be?
[9:58] ProfJ Merlin: No traffic here--no jams on the free way.
[9:58] Ilene Pratt: Thanks, everyone! See you again I hope!
[9:58] Corwin Carillon: Will put the transcript up on the NMC Wiki in 24 hours
[9:58] Lyr Lobo laughs
[9:58] Blogsar Lumpen: ok
[9:59] Blogsar Lumpen: bye!
[9:59] Corwin Carillon: http://sl.nmc.org/wiki
[9:59] Farley Scarborough: Thank you Corwin, again, for organizing these Teachers Buzzes.
[9:59] totally Vavoom: Bye blogsar!
[9:59] Corwin Carillon: ty Farley