Teachers Buzz Mar 8 2008 Transcript
From NMC-Campus
Teachers Buzz Meeting 8 March 2008 (part of the The Virtual Worlds: Libraries, Education and Museums Conference)
Lorelei Junot: thanks to you for use of this wonderful conference center !
Lorelei Junot: thanks fo rall your support for us!
Corwin Carillon: hey CDB
CDB Barkley: Hi
Lorelei Junot: appause for CDB
Buffy Beale: Yayyy CDB
LoriVonne Lustre: yeah CDB!!!!
Leeorie Alter: clap clap
Marilena Basevi: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
Stone Semyorka: clap clap clap
Leeorie Alter: :_)
Stone Semyorka's clap gesture is stuck on
Buffy Beale: So, no voice for this session?
Anastasya Alekseev: ah, a new challenge!
Corwin Howlett: no voice
CDB Barkley: Not the fastes connection... Hello from a Buritto place in Austin
Buffy Beale: Great thx
Stone Semyorka: lol
Corwin Carillon: :)
LoriVonne Lustre: lol CDB
Marilena Basevi: hello burrito place!
Leeorie Alter: Jambina I love your hair
CDB Barkley: Frreebirds World Buritto
Jambina Oh: mmmmm burritos....
Jambina Oh: thanks Leeorie
Perplexity Peccable: Hiya, Kaiya :)
Stone Semyorka: are there a lot of burrito people gathered around you?
CDB Barkley: How is the conference going?
CDB Barkley: A few SLers
Leeorie Alter: Hi cindy!
Marilena Basevi: burrito people -- interesting picture
CDB Barkley: Jeremy Braver
CDB Barkley: Joe Sanchez from UT
Stone Semyorka: the conferecnme is going really truly great!
Anastasya Alekseev: wouldn't it be dangerous for burrito people to hang out there? they might get mistaken for the food!
Leeorie Alter: lol
CDB Barkley: Jow is the conference?
Stone Semyorka: lol
Marilena Basevi: Hi, Joe Sanchez!
Stone Semyorka: Hi HVX
Leeorie Alter: wow. quite a crowd. I'm impressed.
CDB Barkley: Indeed
HVX Silverstar: Hey Stone
Corwin Howlett: Corwin you ready to ge this kicked off?
Stone Semyorka: Hey HVX
Cindy Elkhart: hi Leeorie
Corwin Carillon: Welcome everyone!
Leeorie Alter: hey cindy
Stone Semyorka: I wanna change my name to Corwin. Is there a Linden here to do that?
Corwin Carillon: thanks for coming ...
Leeorie Alter: lol
Buffy Beale: Yayyy Corwin
Corwin Carillon: if you haven't been to a buzz session before ...
Corwin Carillon: CDB and I sorta like chaos :)
CDB Barkley: Be prepared...
CDB Barkley: Its an unMeeting
Leeorie Alter: :-)
Corwin Carillon: I hope you are ready to talk ... right?
Stone Semyorka: pffft
Anastasya Alekseev: is it like an unbirthday?
Corwin Howlett: Yay!
Buffy Beale: ready
CDB Barkley: In a way
Corwin Carillon: and I hope we have a good mix of people
Marilena Basevi: how do I turn up the voices?
CDB Barkley: We meet every two weeks...
Corwin Howlett: not using voices this session
CDB Barkley: I am sorry
Marilena Basevi: OK, thanks
CDB Barkley: I left my voice on
CDB Barkley: how off
Buffy Beale: putting
Buffy Beale: :)
Anastasya Alekseev: lol
CDB Barkley: The intent of the buzz session was to have an informal open gathering
Amelia Teatime: I hear voices -- a presentation. WHere is that presentation?
CDB Barkley: (you may have clicked the video player)
Amelia Teatime: Thanks! I did!
Amelia Teatime: Are we waiting for a speaker then?
Sheila Yoshikawa: Yes, I just hear quiet clacking of keys ;-)
CDB Barkley: So The Teachers Buzz is kind of like gathering with colleagues at the coffee shop
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think we are the speakers
CDB Barkley: Sometimes we have open discussions
Corwin Carillon: voices .. ghosts of presentations past
CDB Barkley: Sometimes we do field trips
CDB Barkley: We get peole who volunteer to lead a discussion or a tour
CDB Barkley: but we dont have a strict agenda
CDB Barkley: We've neem doing these since August 2006
CDB Barkley: Nick?
Corwin Carillon: and today our unstrict agenda is roughly ...
Corwin Carillon: 1. Have you used library support inside or outside SL for your SL teaching? If you have, in what ways? 2. What types of library support and integration in SL would you like to see?
Corwin Howlett: just to clarigy, what do you mean by library support?
Corwin Howlett: clarify
Corwin Carillon: so I sort of where are we now ... and then a where do we want to be wrt libraries and SL
Corwin Carillon: as broad as you think Corwin ...
Sheila Yoshikawa: OK can I start
Corwin Carillon: wow now I feel like I'm talking to myself ...
Corwin Carillon: situation normal
Leeorie Alter: lol
Sheila Yoshikawa: I was teaching first year students last semester
Stella Merlin: Such as librarians supporting a university course with SL skills and tools -- would that apply?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I'm an educator at the Uni of Sheffield UK
Sheila Yoshikawa: and I was working with 2 librarians]
Corwin Carillon: yes stella .. as will other things
Sheila Yoshikawa: one from my library and one from a library in Scotland
Stella Merlin: Well then, I have
Stella Merlin: I've worked with a group of Education PhD students...
Stone Semyorka: Ummm...I would say we want open libraries that provide a flow resources that is broad and deep.
Violet Portola: We teach Sun employees about SL - webinars, in-world workshops, etc. and provide some reference to Sun employees and customers in-world - sorta reference.
Stella Merlin: studying Emerging Technologies in Education
Sheila Yoshikawa: and basically I wanted to work with them becaue they knew about SL, and about information needs etc and I could trust them
Stella Merlin: Sorry Violet - go a head
Violet Portola: I was done Stella - thank you!
Stella Merlin: Shall I explain?
Violet Portola: Yes :)
Corwin Carillon: Sheial, in what way did you work with them?
Merry Mayo: we have tried getting other library staff interested but it is difficult as very few show any interest in what we are doing
Sheila Yoshikawa: WE worked together on induction into SL - I was with students in the lab, they were in SL
Stone Semyorka: In addition to providing resources here, I think in-world libraries need to instruct SL residents in how to access the resources provided here.
Corwin Carillon: (multithreaded conversations are fun!)
Sheila Yoshikawa: and also teh students were learning about how to do interviews, and they were observers of the students practicing in SL, giving feedback etc
CDB Barkley: You are are buzzing great!
Perplexity Peccable: Merry, we've had a bit of that, but strong leadership and institutional priorities helped
Leeorie Alter: im still fair ly new....
Merry Mayo: Thanks PErplexity - we will see what we can do and perhaps report back next time!
Leeorie Alter: but as a new observer I have frustratiohns that a lot of us are reinventing the wheel
Notecard Writer: I want to throw something up for the future
Daisyblue Hefferman: how so, Leeorie?
Sheila Yoshikawa: A point I would have is that it doesn't have to be about resources, it can be about exploituing the skillls, attitudes, knwoledeg you have as a library and information professional
Sheila Yoshikawa: that's why they were great to work with
Leeorie Alter: we are all attempting to reach many of the same goals...
Leeorie Alter: and finding our way independently ....
Anastasya Alekseev: the more people who get involved with the technology, the more useful it will become
Perplexity Peccable: and teaching similar classes or tutorials
Valibrarian Gregg: I think Leeorie means that the more we can collaborate and link our resources and services- the better
Notecard Writer: Right now we are basicaly trying to reproduce the physical library in the virtual, we need to look at new ways of providing access to information that leverage off the nature of virtual worlds like SL, three dimenions
Leeorie Alter: YES VAL!
Leeorie Alter: same mistkaes, etc.
Leeorie Alter: thank you!
Leeorie Alter: lol
Buffy Beale: Yes Leeorie but the advantage SL brings is collaboration
Notecard Writer: What I want to see are new ways for reference materials to leverage off SL's 3-D environment. For example, how about a 3-D version of the Visual Thesaurus at http://visualthesaurus.com ?
Anastasya Alekseev: and then it will become more accepted and better understood
Perplexity Peccable: Is anyone one else here part of Open SLEdware?
Jambina Oh: you know it Notecard
Agnesa Capalini: Hi Leeorie
Violet Portola: I agree Notecard!
Perplexity Peccable: a group that shares opensource educational materials and resources
Stone Semyorka: Good point, Notecard.
Perplexity Peccable: both inworld and via onrez
Leeorie Alter: hi agnesa
Buffy Beale: Yes NC good point
Perplexity Peccable: We can share ours, too
Notecard Writer: Thanks. I don't have the skills, but we need to collaborate with those who do have the skills.
Buffy Beale: exactly
Perplexity Peccable: awesome idea :)
Nardok Corrimal gave you 4-Frame Picture Viewer, Large.
Notecard Writer: For example, there is a large push for open-source grids based on SL
Valibrarian Gregg: I think we will need a balance of opportunities for individual creativity and for collaborative resources in the future.
Leeorie Alter: nods
Stone Semyorka: Many libraries have arrived at the point where they need to move beyond the getting-the-feet-wet stage into some serious resources and services.
Perplexity Peccable: yes - OpenSim
Anastasya Alekseev: that brings up an interesting point, Notecard. There are lots of people who want to learn how to do this stuff, but they don't know where to go to get instruction
Notecard Writer: Yes exactly
Notecard Writer: In OpenSIm as I have discovered, the only instructionis done piece-meal and by volunteers
Perplexity Peccable: so why not pool and share our tutorials?
Daisyblue Hefferman: sort of educate the educators classes
Perplexity Peccable: have a repository?
Leeorie Alter: Champaign-Urbana is offering that serices of classes
Notecard Writer: No documentation except that written by volunteers
Perplexity Peccable: like Open SLEdware, or as part of that
Anastasya Alekseev: In the past 2 weeks, I have made it from Noob to creating in-world slides. But I don't know where to go from here
Sheila Yoshikawa: I think it will be a pity if SL libraries get bogged down in stuff - resources - that can be better provided on the web
Notecard Writer: I may be the first librarian on OpenlifeGrid, for example
CDB Barkley: Please carry on the conversation.. this dog needs to run
Perplexity Peccable: that's a new one to me
Perplexity Peccable: THanks, CDB!
Buffy Beale: Bye CDB, thx again
Lorelei Junot: thanks CDB :)
Stone Semyorka: Too many burritos, CDB?
Anastasya Alekseev: lol
Valibrarian Gregg: Yes- thanks so much, CDB :)
Notecard Writer: OpenlifeGrid for example now has Webpages on a prim working
Arryk Rees: There are some aspects of SecondLife that aren't as good for collaboration, either. What we're looking at is SL as one part of a more comprehensive online presence with our museum members, including customized web content based on login, and message boards. We're hoping that by making communication easy on many fronts, some technolgies can work like gateways to more complex ones.
Perplexity Peccable: GREAT!
CDB Barkley: no it time for SXSW parites
CDB Barkley: paries
Sheila Yoshikawa: It seems to me that using SL's opportunities for encouraging students to think creatively about information and working with information - critical and creative thinking
Perplexity Peccable: say more, Sheila?
Stone Semyorka: Notecard, a note...we have html on a prim in 1.19.1
Violet Portola: Many of the collaboration needs are being looked by Sun's Wonderland and the Open Virutal Worlds project
Perplexity Peccable: yep
Perplexity Peccable: as of this morning
Notecard Writer: Yes...interesting about the timing, isn't it ;-)
Buffy Beale: Great Arryk, interaction is important as well
Violet Portola: Kevin Roebuck will be talking about that at an upcoming session
Notecard Writer: THey copuld have done this YEARS ago but never bothered
Perplexity Peccable: oh, good!
Violet Portola: Such as Application Sharing!
Violet Portola: Doing real collaborative work in a 3D environment.
Notecard Writer: BUt now SLis starting to get competition
Anastasya Alekseev: I think one of the strengths of SL is that we can get together with little RL expense. Since all our institutions are having buget issues, that has great potential
Juliet Rubble: Anastasya, I agree
Notecard Writer: and hopefully that will drive some other features we have wanted
Stone Semyorka: Anastasya, you're right
Anastasya Alekseev: I think we need to run with that
Notecard Writer: We might also have to deael with the fact that SL may not survive in a newly competitive marketplae
Notecard Writer: What we do has to be TRANSFERABLE
LoriVonne Lustre: yes NC
Anastasya Alekseev: it is so expensive to go to RL workshops and RL conferences to learn this stuff
Perplexity Peccable: what I've been hearing from folks on a variety of grids
Perplexity Peccable: is that the skills are completely transferrable
Notecard Writer: wh means adhering to oen standards as they ar ar made
Anastasya Alekseev: or to pay RL tuition to learn
Corwin Carillon: think libraries and library support folks
Perplexity Peccable: the objects are not
Perplexity Peccable: YET
Notecard Writer: *open standards I mean
Stone Semyorka: Perplexity, yes
Perplexity Peccable: so the skills should be our focus
Perplexity Peccable: rather than the stuff
Notecard Writer: Yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: I agree Perplexity
Buffy Beale: Yes Agree Perplexity
LoriVonne Lustre: yes
Anastasya Alekseev: if you can build the number of people with the skills, you have more people to contribute to the cause
Perplexity Peccable: and we should write tutorials about transferring skills across platforms
Leeorie Alter: yes....
Corwin Carillon: can we dig a bit deeper ... what sort of skills exactly?
LoriVonne Lustre: at least be aware of it
Perplexity Peccable: the building and scripting
Perplexity Peccable: I was thinking
Anastasya Alekseev: here is a simple example -- the instructions I had for making my slides assumed I knew how a prim worked
Buffy Beale: how to run a business in SL
LoriVonne Lustre: the best practices too
Notecard Writer: WE need to learn how to create 3-D objects like sculpted prims, and meshes (already used in OpenlifeGrid)d prims, and mesh
Perplexity Peccable: YES!!
Perplexity Peccable: Excelent, Lorivonne
Anastasya Alekseev: so, I had to get past that hurdle before I could make any progress
Sheila Yoshikawa: I was aalso thinking of the approach to learning and teaching in this environment
Perplexity Peccable: Good, NC!
LoriVonne Lustre: exactly sheila
Notecard Writer: Yes best practices, no need to reinvent the wheel here
Perplexity Peccable: Yes - teaching not in SL but rather in Virtual Worlds
LoriVonne Lustre: or There hehhehe
Buffy Beale: Yes NC, keeping up with the technology is critical
Sheila Yoshikawa: and skills of working with information that is actually in SL
Notecard Writer: Fit SL in its place within the metaverse
Anastasya Alekseev: and I have already learned things that will make it easier on the next person who needs to do it
Perplexity Peccable: It won't settle down right away
Perplexity Peccable: I think we'll be hopping from platform to platform for a while
Notecard Writer: 2008 will be a tumultuous year for SL I predict
Perplexity Peccable: Huge!
Violet Portola: Many of the skills we have around providing good service, high-touch services, how to help people connect to information, people and share knowledge transfer quiet well too.
Violet Portola: I agree Notecard!
Violet Portola: VW's in general - 2008 is the year!
Perplexity Peccable: and go full circle back to RL
Notecard Writer: Not only OpenSim based projects but also new virtuial worlds like China's HiPhiHi
Perplexity Peccable: Good point, Violet
Notecard Writer: are going to be targeting SL's user base
LoriVonne Lustre: yes
Perplexity Peccable: Don't forget the SOCIAL
Merry Mayo: are any of you getting students coming through at 18+ used to using virtual worlds ?
Violet Portola: A big power of VWs is the power or presence!
Notecard Writer: The social?
Perplexity Peccable: it is the people that keeps folk here
LoriVonne Lustre: not yet
Perplexity Peccable: the connection
Stella Merlin: Yes - our university students are often gamers -- used to virtual worlds
Anastasya Alekseev: so, there are several things that can be done. On the local level, I am planning on doing some demos for the libraries in my library about how this all works
Corwin Carillon: whatever the VW ...what types of library support and integration in SL would you like to see?
Perplexity Peccable: It will take something really neat for a bunch of folk to jump ship
Notecard Writer: THe community aspect, the physical presence, is key
Sheila Yoshikawa: informationone of my (small) class of 18 year olds had used a virtual world
Stella Merlin: they take to SL quickly -- even if they don't always appreciate it
Notecard Writer: I mean physical in a virtual way of course LOL
Merry Mayo: thank you!
Perplexity Peccable: :)
Anastasya Alekseev: at the higher level, building a good set of instructional materials on how to do things in SL that is easy to find and use would be good
Draconius Merlin: I think that one of the reasons that I took to SL so quickly was through my gaming experience
Perplexity Peccable: I have no excuse
Perplexity Peccable: no prior gaming
Leeorie Alter: yes anastasya!
Notecard Writer: For me it was Riven and Myst, and a HUUUGE box of Legos as a kid
Perplexity Peccable: BUT I did promise myself I would do 15 minutes a day
Draconius Merlin: Does anyone else here use the WASD keys for movement?
Wynne Merlin: Yes to the gaming experience, it really helps
Leeorie Alter: lol
Perplexity Peccable: That made all teh difference.
Stone Semyorka: yes, Myst
Anastasya Alekseev: lol, Draconius. that is so true. and that is why my colleagues fear it so. so, as the local gamer I have to help them
Perplexity Peccable: I do, draconius
Buffy Beale: I do
Stella Merlin: Often times the university professors who are willing to experiment with teaching in SL are there because they themselves are techies and games, and their students are, too
Draconius Merlin: Okay, that's good to know. I'm not the only geek
Buffy Beale: use the keys and mouse steer by rt clicking and holding on my avis back
Perplexity Peccable: lol
Perplexity Peccable: can program in basic ...
Violet Portola: Drac - i don't but am starting WoW so learning WASD from my gamer husband
Anastasya Alekseev: most of them scoffed at the whole virtual conference thing, but when the see the power of it they might think differently
LoriVonne Lustre: gamers tend to Draconius
Anastasya Alekseev: lol. i don't use WASD in WoW or any of my games. Which is why moving here still gives me fits
Sheila Yoshikawa: I'm still mulling over - what library support means
Sheila Yoshikawa: it depends on what the goals are within SL
Anastasya Alekseev: but the gaming experience has made me more open to this kind of environment
Corwin Carillon: me too Sheila ...
Draconius Merlin: That's why I think we're moving to a more immersed online culture.
Anastasya Alekseev: which has made it easier to accept the culture of SL.
Corwin Carillon: what it means to teachers and to librarians and librarian teachers
Leeorie Alter: Thse questions are even more critical for public libraries....
Draconius Merlin: If WE old fogeys are gamers ...
Sheila Yoshikawa: can't see much point in having cumbersome interfaces to MEDLINE, ABI/Inform or whatever
Notecard Writer: Yes thank you for saying that Sheila
Perplexity Peccable: I've never been a gamer
Perplexity Peccable: don't see the point
Stone Semyorka: I don't know if I agree entirely with the high-minded approach of not focusing on services or resource delivery. Admins who sign the POs are looking for hard-corfe justification foe expenditures and that is most easily explained to the public in terms of real services delivered or resources made available.
Notecard Writer: Why add another layer of complexity to MEDLINE?
Perplexity Peccable: but love the USEFUL points of SL
Anastasya Alekseev: seriously, we just need someone to invent the Star Trek computer and the holodeck already!
Perplexity Peccable: lol
Leeorie Alter: lol
Notecard Writer: LOL
Sheila Yoshikawa: it's not a high minded approach - it's thinking of what particular environments are useful for , I think
Buffy Beale: LOL
Wynne Merlin: Learning and play go together in some very basic way
Draconius Merlin: Yes, but through your SL experience, Perplexity, I'm sure you'd be at home in WoW, CoH, Lineage, or any of those
Sheila Yoshikawa: physical learning speces in RL still have uses
Anastasya Alekseev: I always apologize to my students that the systems are so cumbersome
Sheila Yoshikawa: and the web, and also SL
Stone Semyorka: Wynne, I agree...there's been a lot of research on that
Notecard Writer: We need to leverage off of SL's strengths to find new and innovative ways to connect avatars with information they need.
Sheila Yoshikawa: but they don't have to do the same thing
Perplexity Peccable: I saw we only teach what doesn't work rihgt in the first place
Anastasya Alekseev: remember what the web was like in the beginning? it was hard to use
Perplexity Peccable: so little of what we teach is conceptual
Anastasya Alekseev: it was hard to find things. we had to have books to help us find links to sites
Notecard Writer: Yes, and I suspect tha "grid" may become the new "web"
Anastasya Alekseev: and most of it was junk
Wynne Merlin: most of everythig is junk!
Stone Semyorka: yes
LoriVonne Lustre: :-)
Anastasya Alekseev: it wasn't until the spiders and search engines came along that it became useful for most people
Stella Merlin: Anastasya -- that's why we need standards in SL for educational builds AND educational content.
Anastasya Alekseev: now, they use it without thinking about the mechanics of it all
Notecard Writer: It takes a long while for the killer applications come along and change people's thinking
LoriVonne Lustre: exactly Ana
Perplexity Peccable: hmmm
Stella Merlin: If a SIM claims to be historical recreation -- it should be evaluated
Irina Amadeus: Very true... NC ... grid will be the new web for sure
Sheila Yoshikawa: standards for educational content??
Perplexity Peccable: I wolud not want to see standards for educational builds OR content!!
Stella Merlin: and there should be a common standard of evaluation
Perplexity Peccable: what would that mean?
Anastasya Alekseev: so, we have to get this environment past the point where the mechanics are an issue
Valibrarian Gregg: We need to utilize our talents and strengths by dividing up the work load. Several of us have mentioned not “reinventing the wheel.” I am still narrowing my own focus here in SL, after months of exploration.
Notecard Writer: Yes and unfortunately mechanics IS the issue still
LoriVonne Lustre: well, I think more we should give the users the critical skills to evaluate on their own
Perplexity Peccable: yes
Perplexity Peccable: and will be for a while yet
Perplexity Peccable: the big hurdle
LoriVonne Lustre: like evaluating the information on a website
Notecard Writer: THere is such a steep learning curve and librarians can help people make that curve less steep
Corwin Carillon: when I see students in Sl .. they are mostly here doing some form of project work ...
Stella Merlin: I would certainly hope that a build claiming to be a recreation of ancient Rome would not be riddled with anachronisms
Sheila Yoshikawa: Yay Lorivonne
Stone Semyorka: Stella, are you proposing a cookie cutter model?
Corwin Carillon: sothe critical skills Lorivonne mentions seems key
LoriVonne Lustre: play spot the anachronism!
Stella Merlin: no -- not cookie cutter... I would like to see that what is promised for a build is indeed delivered...
Leeorie Alter: WE all had to learn the same evaluation skills in terms of web sites
Stone Semyorka: could you say a bit more on that?
Wynne Merlin: Is there a risk that we will evaluate all the fun out of it?
Stella Merlin: there are too many builds that claim to teach but do not deliver... for this reason, we also need to look at teaching our students how to evaluated immersive worlds -- just as they use critical skills to evaluate information
Anastasya Alekseev: lol. I hope not Wynne
Corwin Carillon: yes wynne!
Notecard Writer: No
Corwin Carillon: a dnager or sure
LoriVonne Lustre: and we continue to teach those skills Leeorie
Anastasya Alekseev: I used to use an example of a website on bigfoot by a scholar in my teaching
Notecard Writer: There will always be a fun aspect of it. Most of the avatars on SL are here for the fun, the lulz
Leeorie Alter: yes....and THOSE skills transfer....
Anastasya Alekseev: it was a silly subject, but a scholarly treatment of it.
Stella Merlin: FUn and quality are not mutually exclusive
LoriVonne Lustre: and I use the one about cats and men with beards
LoriVonne Lustre: hehehe
Anastasya Alekseev: one day that web site disappeared. i think the guy was up for tenure review or something
Stella Merlin: Fun and education is not mutually exclusive
Leeorie Alter: no need to dis teh sims that don't deliver...just give students the skills to make their own decisions on where to go for their information needs....
Anastasya Alekseev: but it was a good teaching tool that was fun to use with the students
Perplexity Peccable: the new frontier -- fun education :)
Perplexity Peccable: I was studying gaming in education back in the 80s!
LoriVonne Lustre: What a concept!
Sheila Yoshikawa: evaluating immersive worlds - i was thinking this morning in teh "teen" session which talked about commercialism that thsi was a form of media (or information) literacy
Anastasya Alekseev: if you make it fun to learn, they will become more engaged and want to learn more
Perplexity Peccable: this has been a long time coming
Notecard Writer: Part of the problem is that key players still see SL as frivoloous, a waste of time. I wish some of them could be here today at the sessions
Sheila Yoshikawa: ie students learning how to understand the commercial elements, bias etc
Perplexity Peccable: That was why we made the video
Marilena Basevi: key players?
Anastasya Alekseev: that is true, Notecard.
Perplexity Peccable: Science Learning Oppoortunities in SL
Notecard Writer: THe people with the power (and the pursestrings) to say "yes".
LoriVonne Lustre: I put on my weekly workload that I was attending this conference in SL
Anastasya Alekseev: but there are others who are starting to look at these environments more seriously
Perplexity Peccable: the deans :)
Arryk Rees: Some of them are. :-)
LoriVonne Lustre: just put it in matter of factly
LoriVonne Lustre: and my dean was thrilled
Notecard Writer: I actually had a training sessions for fellow librarians who might want to attend here today.
LoriVonne Lustre: sent it to all her cohort!
Anastasya Alekseev: I was reading last week that NASA is working on virtual environments for education and to let astronauts on Mars interact with their families
Notecard Writer: Unfortunately it's only me here from my univesity Library
Perplexity Peccable: we have two people
Perplexity Peccable: and I am grateful
Valibrarian Gregg: I am a loner, too, Notecard.
Notecard Writer: I used the conference as an "excuse" to broadcast my interest in SL out to other librarians
Stella Merlin: thrilled yes -- great possibilities are here. We should not let the fun override a quality educational experience... I have had faculty poo-poo SL simply based on some builds with substandard and outdated content
Leeorie Alter: lots of poeple viewed the web as frivolous in teh beginning....
Notecard Writer: Our university is far behind the curve on this
LoriVonne Lustre: and they told two people and so on and so on...
LoriVonne Lustre: be viral!
Irina Amadeus: Ditto ... tried to use conference as a draw ...
Notecard Writer: We're only having our first lunchtime session on SL later this month
Anastasya Alekseev: well, they already know I am into "weird" stuff. I just have to convince them it isn't really "weird"
Notecard Writer: Which will be my opportunity to meet other SLers at my university I hope
Irina Amadeus: ROI ... ROI ...
LoriVonne Lustre: LOL
Perplexity Peccable: our university has an email group
Perplexity Peccable: but many people don't know about it
LoriVonne Lustre: you aren't weird here Ana
Notecard Writer: with my luck I will be the only one there :-(
Leeorie Alter: unfortunately , my ccoworkers see me having fun and think I am not being useful!
Jambina Oh: But some things are hard to address - the Dresden ARt GAllery is a beautiful sim, but is it better than an art book?
Perplexity Peccable: yes, the economics of SL are tricky
Anastasya Alekseev: you haven't seen me in the Wookiee suit, LoriVonne
Notecard Writer: Leeorie, yes. I feel that way too sometimes
LoriVonne Lustre: heheheh
Perplexity Peccable: Poor Leeorie!I know a lbirarin who was forbidden to do SL
Draconius Merlin: Our university had plans to have a group called the "SLUGs". The Second Life Users Group.
Perplexity Peccable: Ordered out
Notecard Writer: But giving that preentation sort of validated it for me
Stella Merlin: Dresden Art Gallery allows students to see the paintings in a certain context -- within a curated exhibit... that's worthwhile
Merry Mayo: we have had a couple of sessions for our colleagues and now have a couple of the techies interested and a member of academic staff. It is a small start but at least it is a start!
LoriVonne Lustre: there is more than one Perplexity
Draconius Merlin: Still working on it
Leeorie Alter: perhaps I should Sigh and say o no, guess I have to go back into SL today....and frown...
Perplexity Peccable: so sad :(
Sheila Yoshikawa: it's sad that "work" and "fun" shouldn't be seen as compatible ;-( know what you mean
Notecard Writer: LOL
Notecard Writer: I know.
LoriVonne Lustre: some of my colleagues thought I was into some religious cult when I kept talking about Second Life
Notecard Writer: Getting paid to work on SL related stuff is a blast ,
Stolvano Barbosa: What might be better than an art book would be for students to curate their own exhibits
Anastasya Alekseev: lol
Leeorie Alter: lol
Perplexity Peccable: LOL!
LoriVonne Lustre: hahah
Irina Amadeus: When the pioneers went out west, everyone thought they were crazy...
Perplexity Peccable: I like that Stolvano
Notecard Writer: I have a friend who keeps on calling it the Second Coming
Leeorie Alter: yes stol, good idea....
Perplexity Peccable: oops
Stone Semyorka: No one seems to be mentoning the distance ed aspect of it. Many universities are coming at SL from that angle.
LoriVonne Lustre: I am stealing that NC
Sheila Yoshikawa: Lorivanne LOL
Perplexity Peccable: Yes -
Jambina Oh: SToli - YES!
Perplexity Peccable: Our director of distance ed comes to all our events
Wynne Merlin: Sometimes the creative stuff has to be done subversively
LoriVonne Lustre: For sure Stone!
Corwin Carillon: yes stone!
LoriVonne Lustre: That is my angle... distance
Juliet Rubble: me too
Corwin Carillon: for the librarians here, what needs do teachers and students SL have in terms of your work?
Perplexity Peccable: I've been grumped at the distance ed is boring and not unique to SL
Leeorie Alter: I have seen a few raised eyebrows in my shop when I mention meeting and working with librarians from all acoross the country and the world....
Stone Semyorka: LL is selling the idea of corporate metings and distance classrooms, I think.
LoriVonne Lustre: it is
Buffy Beale: A whitepaper was written regarding best practices for nonprofits in SL which may be useful, theres a copy at the Nonprofit Commons
Perplexity Peccable: I've been grumped at ABOUT - sorry
Juliet Rubble: distance ed is not unique to SL but it's so much more engaging here
Notecard Writer: I've noticed that the majority of questions I get a the Info Island International reference desk are about SL instead of RL
LoriVonne Lustre: how else would I have had the opportunity to meet y'all?
Stolvano Barbosa: I think the distance ed still needs to add something that they don't have in other platforms... the hands on element
Irina Amadeus: Does anyone see the growth of voice capability as helping things along for Distance Ed
Juliet Rubble: student engagement is worth something
Perplexity Peccable: voice isn't quite there yet
LoriVonne Lustre: Voice is just a tool
Perplexity Peccable: I can't use it
Notecard Writer: SL implemented voice so poorly
Wynne Merlin: Voice? No
Perplexity Peccable: and excludes some folk - deafness
Stone Semyorka: In my own classes I've moved beyond Blackboard into here.
Anastasya Alekseev: I used the Info Island ref desk to get information when I was preparing my presentation
Stone Semyorka: I've brought 75 students here for various courses over the last year.
Perplexity Peccable: Hurray!
LoriVonne Lustre: wow!
Stolvano Barbosa: Is SL better than Blackboard Stone?
Corwin Carillon: Notecard, are the questions about SL or about library work (information needs)?
Leeorie Alter: excellent stone
Juliet Rubble: Perplexity, that's true, but many of the presenters this morning pasted in text transcripts, so I found that helpful
Anastasya Alekseev: but since I work in a RL library, I honestly wouldn't go there for RL ref needs
Notecard Writer: About Second Life, how do I do this? Where do I find that?
Perplexity Peccable: I wish I could have
LoriVonne Lustre: SL is not a LMS
Perplexity Peccable: apologies
Draconius Merlin: There's a teacher at my university who teaches education. Her students do student teaching at area schools. Sometimes they don't meet in RL for weeks.
Notecard Writer: I get RL questions too, but not as many
Stone Semyorka: The probleam as always for faculty is understanding the need for distance ed to be asynchronous communication.
Perplexity Peccable: we have a distance ed program that meets only ONCE in RL at all
Stone Semyorka: The old idea of getting together at the same time and place is a 1990s thing
Draconius Merlin: She uses SL to keep in touch with them
LoriVonne Lustre: and still ties cumbersomely to other tools / mashups
Perplexity Peccable: but they will not touch SL
Notecard Writer: I heard about Wolverine Island and their health library gets mostly student/staff/alumni questions. Then I realized it was a closed community island
Sheila Yoshikawa: SL is more fun, but WebCT (which I moan about as clunky) is stil useful for ceratin activities/functions
Stolvano Barbosa: but isnt meeting in SL getting together at the same time at least?
Perplexity Peccable: faculty/alumni, but yes
Stella Merlin: The ASU EDT 598 (Emerging Technologies in Education) students intended to use BlackBoard, but once we taught them SL, they much preferred to meet there for their distance classes
LoriVonne Lustre: exactly Sheila... all tools. Start with the learning and go from there
Stone Semyorka: Stol, that's the hard part for many faculty to visualize.
Stone Semyorka: Generally,. it' not about always meeting here in a classroom-like setting.
Stolvano Barbosa: right
Merry Mayo: we did a couple of courses in here and found the VLE complemented Sl and neither was complete without the other
Juliet Rubble: I have to say I didn't appreciate synchronous distance ed (as opposed to asynchronous) until the last year or so
Stolvano Barbosa: I would say classroom setting is not good here
Notecard Writer: We need to keep promoting SL as a legitamte tool in our toolbox.
LoriVonne Lustre: it is the immersiveness
Perplexity Peccable: That is really intersting Merry
Sheila Yoshikawa: "Blended learning" is teh dominant mode in UK universities (where I am)
LoriVonne Lustre: good point Merry
Notecard Writer: To counteract the media impression that we are all into gambling or strippers or whatever
Sheila Yoshikawa: so SL comes into the blend for me
Stone Semyorka: here is a campus newswire article about soemthing I did in here a uyear ago...that is last springt semester...
Stone Semyorka: http://www.uncp.edu/news/2007/second_life.htm
Perplexity Peccable: thanks, Stone!
Corwin Carillon: thx Stone
LoriVonne Lustre: that is my experience as well, as both a teacher (NSCC) and a student (BSU)
Leeorie Alter: incidently, will the transcript of this ession be available later?
Notecard Writer: VLE is?
Corwin Carillon: yes leeorie
Stella Merlin: Legitimacy will come as more quality educational experiences are provided and assessed to show REAL LEARNING has taken place.
Perplexity Peccable: I am excited about mediGrid and OpenSim and all that, but Sloodle is here NOW
Merry Mayo: virtual learning environment such a web st or Moodle
Doug Mandelbrot: Has anyone been here from the beginning to catch the transript?
Corwin Carillon: We are getting close to time end everyone ....
Stone Semyorka: I have
Perplexity Peccable: if you look at the history of CAI, the research has never been conclusive about the benefits
Merry Mayo: web ct even, sorry Note taker
Notecard Writer: OpenSIm feels like what SL must have felt like four years ago...the wild frontier
Leeorie Alter: I have doug....
Perplexity Peccable: It has made progress for other reasons
Notecard Writer: I can provide transcript
Corwin Carillon: so can we bring this to a conclusion ...
Notecard Writer: I was here before the very start
Corwin Carillon: looking forward ...
Wynne Merlin: Hey, you mean sl is not the wild frontier any more?
Notecard Writer: I'll save o a txt file
Perplexity Peccable: Nope
Stolvano Barbosa: lol
Perplexity Peccable: SL is old hat
Doug Mandelbrot: Good, thanks. i was late
Perplexity Peccable: getting to be mainstream :)
Leeorie Alter: thank you notecard!
Notecard Writer: SL is the wild frontier for ALL the wrong reasons
Wynne Merlin: Aww
Stolvano Barbosa: pretty wild just not frontier
Corwin Carillon: keeping in mind library work in SL ...
Notecard Writer: Yes
Corwin Carillon: what is one thing you'd like to see going forward?
Perplexity Peccable: Thats right, Solvano
Stone Semyorka: Doug, you missed some great conversation in this session!
Marilena Basevi: an SL archive
Stolvano Barbosa: must read transcript
Notecard Writer: HTML ona prim, Dammit!
Perplexity Peccable: portability of objects outworld
Leeorie Alter: lol
Perplexity Peccable: inporting 3d from outworld
Stolvano Barbosa: Some way for collections to exist significantly in SL
Perplexity Peccable: yes
Doug Mandelbrot: I've been tuned in for awhile, Stone -- it is good thinking
Leeorie Alter: yes stol
Perplexity Peccable: and some persistence of basic functions
Notecard Writer: Perplexity: we're coming closer to that export/improt feature faster than you might think.
Perplexity Peccable: no more of the stupid problems making notecards that work from version to version of SL
Perplexity Peccable: I've been reading about it :)
Stolvano Barbosa: notecards....bah!
Stolvano Barbosa: other document forms
Perplexity Peccable: Stolvano
Perplexity Peccable: Caledon Library almost gave up
Marilena Basevi: and an organizational structure for them
Perplexity Peccable: when ALL their notecards broke
Stone Semyorka: Notecard, it works. That URL you sent about the virtual thesaurus opend in the in-world viewer/browser and I was able to search and find words in a part of my viewer screen even as we chatted.
Sheila Yoshikawa: oooo notecards lovely notecards ;-))
Perplexity Peccable: their entire collection went belly up
Notecard Writer: Stone: cool
Stolvano Barbosa: A catalog of SL collections (bucky is hating me right now)
Perplexity Peccable: that should never have happened
Notecard Writer: I have to upgrade my computer to do that :-(
Stone Semyorka: I think 1.19.1 will be big since it offers Windlighjt as well as html on a prim.
Perplexity Peccable: :)
Corwin Carillon: not quite html on prim ... not interactive yet ... but bucky has some ideas re that !
Notecard Writer: I encourage all of you to get a look at an OpenSIm installation. OpenlifeGrid is a good one to start, but there are at least 7 projects out there now
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually - a browser that isn't so picky about graphics cards, that would be a big winner for me
Perplexity Peccable: Thank YOU, Sheliva!
Notecard Writer: Not to mention hundreds of people setiing up THEIR OWN grids on their home computers
Perplexity Peccable: Sheila!
Perplexity Peccable: but interoperability
Stone Semyorka: Tanks for the notecard, Corwin
A group member named Corwin Howlett gave you How to hear only what (Or who) you want to in SL.
Notecard Writer: THere are plans afoot to havea standard kind of link between all OpenSim grids
Amelia Teatime: Corwin, can you send again, somehow I declined it
Perplexity Peccable: almost there
Perplexity Peccable: prolly next year
Violet Portola: Notecard - do you know about Wonderland?
Perplexity Peccable: and Croquet
Notecard Writer: Violet: No
Violet Portola: and Open Virtual Worlds project
Notecard Writer: Is it another grid?
Corwin Carillon: You might also want to look at a european project called RealXtend
Jambina Oh: me too please Corwin - new notecard?
Violet Portola: WOnderland is Open Source and you can download to your own system
Violet Portola: Kevin Roebuck will be talking about it later on
Amelia Teatime: TY
Notecard Writer: Oh yes realXtend, compare that with the SL client and weep at what we don't have
Arryk Rees: Violet - I heard you mention them earlier - care to get me some information on those two?
Violet Portola: Yes, Arryk - I have some URLs on my slides as well
Perplexity Peccable: Take a look at the screen in front of us
Corwin Carillon: Thank you all for coming !
Perplexity Peccable: those are the four systems being used in MediaGrid
Notecard Writer: Thanks
Corwin Carillon: I hope you had a chance to voice out ideas ...
Arryk Rees: Excellent, Violet. Thanks.
Perplexity Peccable: to design interoperable and portable educational content
Violet Portola: Yes, thanks Perplexity - Wonderland is listed up there
Merry Mayo: Thank you for a good session!
Stolvano Barbosa: someone post the transcript in a public place!
Corwin Carillon: I will get the transcript to the conference committee ... and my thanks to them for such great work!
Corwin Howlett: It is time for us to test voice chat set up prior to the next session
Leeorie Alter: thanks!
Stolvano Barbosa: k
Stone Semyorka: Notecard, you know aboiut the girl on the teen grid who has software that lets us open SL in an ordinary web browser?
Notecard Writer: Who should I send the transcript to??
Perplexity Peccable: amazing, all!
Notecard Writer: Yes I have tried her browser. Amazing stuff
Jambina Oh: Stone - WOW really?
Corwin Carillon: to me notecard if you will
Notecard Writer: okey dokey
Corwin Howlett: we need all to turn on voice chat now
Corwin Howlett: if you don't know how, there is a big sign in the upper right hand corner of the theatre
Irina Amadeus: yea!
Corwin Howlett: and I just sent you a notecard as well
LoriVonne Lustre: Thanks Corwin and CDB!
LoriVonne Lustre: great Buzz!
Stone Semyorka: Good session!
Valibrarian Gregg claps for all!
