Teachers Buzz Mar 31 2008 Transcript
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Meeting on 2008-04-01
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Corwin Carillon is in the chair.
Corwin Carillon: ok ... maybe we can get started in a min ...
Corwin Carillon: we will be using chat ... not voice ... so ...
Corwin Carillon: if you are ok with the transcript being recorded, can you click the black recorder box in the center below us, thx
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Corwin Carillon: Hi Birdie, we're just about to get started
Jatt Writer: Hi Birdies
Birdie Newcomb: Hello
Aidenn Brooks: Hi Birdie.
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Corwin Carillon: Welcome everyone! and my thanks to Jatt for agreeing to do this 2nd session on millennials!
Corwin Carillon: /clp
Aidenn Brooks: Does anyone mind if I take a pic of our group?
Angela Nicholls: /clp
Corwin Carillon: sure
Jatt Writer: Good idea
Dayna Wycliffe: Fine with me
Cyndi Uriza: fine here
Jatt Writer: HI Linc
Aidenn Brooks: thanks
Angela Nicholls: shoot ;-)
Linc Kappler: hi, jatt
Corwin Carillon: hi Linc
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Linc Kappler: hi, Corwin :
Jatt Writer: Welcome everyone
Corwin Carillon: so for those just arrived can you click the bklack recorder in the middle if you are ok with the transcript being recorded
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Corwin Carillon: Jatt, over to you :)
Birdie Newcomb: OK, did that
Jatt Writer: OK, Did we want to give everyone the first notecard?
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Corwin Carillon: sure ... one sec
Jatt Writer: Corwin will give you a notecard with the seven traits of Millennial Learners
Birdie Newcomb: Sounds like a book title
Corwin Carillon: the notecard is in the white box across from me .. please click it to get a notecard
Jatt Writer: Last time we talked about the 21st Century Learning Skills characteristics: just in time learning, multi modal, use of image, global, collaborative peer grouping, etc.
Birdie Newcomb: White box?
Jatt Writer: This time to begin, as you read through the traits, can you identify with any of them such as: parents as partners, equality and respect, standards are ok, lifelong knowledge cosumers, embracing challenge?
Jatt Writer: It is a large white box, and says Millennials 1
Birdie Newcomb: OK, got it
Kim Chihuly: I can identify with the team instincts!
Angela Nicholls: and the social networking
Jatt Writer: yes, very present
Jatt Writer: yes, social using technology
Kim Chihuly: tho I sure haven't seen the math and science focus (unfortunately)
Jatt Writer: several technologies at once
Jatt Writer: I hadn't seen the math and science but do more now
Corwin Carillon: Hi CDB
Jatt Writer: What about how they want to be judged on what they do on the outside
Angela Nicholls: wanting to be challenged, I see that a lot and glad for it
Jatt Writer: under the last trait of achieving
Aidenn Brooks: Hello CBD
Birdie Newcomb: This doesn't sound like all kids
Jatt Writer: Angela I am glad too
Jatt Writer: With all generation these are prevailing traits
Jatt Writer: not a rule
Kim Chihuly: not sure what you mean by "the outside" - out of class?
Jatt Writer: outside recognition, so others can see, physical trophy
Corwin Carillon: doesn't sound like kids in Hong Kong except maybe for team
Birdie Newcomb: What age range are we talkoing about?
Jatt Writer: I would say secondary and college
Kim Chihuly: ahh - thanks Jatt - that makes more sense
Jatt Writer: However as a note to each of you this dialogue is around teh book Millennials Go To College by Howe and STraus
Birdie Newcomb: Do they call themselves that?
Jatt Writer: Yes
Jatt Writer: Sometime GEN Y
Birdie Newcomb: I suppose Age of Aquarius is too yesterday for them
Angela Nicholls: yes, they identify with Gen Y and the Millennials at my campus
Jatt Writer: lol Birdie
Jatt Writer: and actually I think that is a good segway into the next part of the discussion
Jatt Writer: corwin, could we get card 2
Corwin Carillon: sorry lag
Birdie Newcomb: Are they job-oriented, or academic?
Corwin Carillon: should be there now
Jatt Writer: In 2010 Gen_x parents are going to be entering the campuses with their children, your students
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Jatt Writer: I have listed some disucssion points around how the Gen X Stealth fighter parents will be different than the Boomer parents
Corwin Carillon: click on the Millennials 2 box if you haven't already
Jatt Writer: Take a look and think about how dealing with these even stronger willed parents will impact teaching the students
Jatt Writer: Campus Administration are going to have to make some adjustments
Jatt Writer: A good example is that the Gen X parents are the ipod babies. Why buy an entire album when you can just get the one song you want
Birdie Newcomb: Campus as fortress?
Jatt Writer: They will have to be given a pretty good "package" in order to by into a schools offering
Kim Chihuly: colleges are going to have to start collecting (and making public) a lot of new kinds of data - admin will hate that
Birdie Newcomb: Do we need classes for parents?
Birdie Newcomb: Orientationi?
Jatt Writer: yes and yes
Jatt Writer: Definitely orientation
CDB Barkley: Parents likely dont think they need classes
Birdie Newcomb: But they still pay the bills.
Jatt Writer: and the colleg will have to have a very structed set of guidelines at to where the parents can be involved and where they cannot
Kim Chihuly: orientation could be part of the transparency couldn't it (tho we could use it to manage expectations too)
Jatt Writer: They will be very agressive about wanting the data to substantiate andy claims
Angela Nicholls: True, and what about FERPA laws - currently in Texas we can not discuss the students grades or work without the student's permission
Corwin Carillon: how much is this a reality or a characture?
Angela Nicholls: even if they are minors
Corwin Carillon: sounds a bit extreme
Jatt Writer: One way to look at it for discussion is, how will you change to meet the needs of the stealth fighter paretns
Birdie Newcomb: Better radar?
Angela Nicholls: encourage them to talk to their kids!
Birdie Newcomb: Boundaries
Jatt Writer: they will be demanding
Birdie Newcomb: College, in my mind, is the way to step away from parents
Jatt Writer: very protective of their child
Jatt Writer: Can you put yourself in the students place for a moment
Jatt Writer: think of who the parents are and what they want for the child
Jatt Writer: think of what the college currently offers and
Aidenn Brooks: Presumably, the children will be demanding too.
Jatt Writer: think about what you want for these students
Birdie Newcomb: Which is not the same as what the student wants
Jatt Writer: What about classroom practices
Kim Chihuly: so we want to turn out well rounded students who know how to learn int he future - and they want to get a job?
Kim Chihuly: in the*
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Jatt Writer: how will these students and partents resond to
Jatt Writer: classes not using the most current technologies
Jatt Writer: our university just spent million of dollars on a library to hold books
Jatt Writer: Do you think that is where any of the interest/skill of this generation will lie?
Birdie Newcomb: Books -- the last resort
Cyndi Uriza: books are still part of it, they just need the latest technolgy as well
Aidenn Brooks: Not the main focus, but my students very soon discover the ease of browsing for and inside books.
Cyndi Uriza: yes , some things are actually easier using books
Jatt Writer: Where is the first place you go is you wish to know something?
Birdie Newcomb: If you find the right book
Birdie Newcomb: Google
Jatt Writer: yes, and so do they
Jatt Writer: for a lot of their information
Cyndi Uriza: yes, I'm a libarain, so google is not my first choice
Jatt Writer: LIbraians will be key
Cyndi Uriza: but I have specialized knowledge about where to look
Cyndi Uriza: and I encourage studetns to think beyond a quick and dirty google search
Birdie Newcomb: IN SL, what do librarians do? Same as hep desk?
Jatt Writer: Well, there are some great sites
Birdie Newcomb: help
Kim Chihuly: guess we need to make sure our assignments (as profs) take more than a google search to complete
Aidenn Brooks: Yes - it's probably about directing the students to the right sites.
Cyndi Uriza: yes, help people access knowledge
Linc Kappler: we can have something like google in library in future for searching books
Jatt Writer: The libraians just had a conference here in Reno last fall. They have actually adopted 21st Cetory learning standards.
Cyndi Uriza: find what they really want , not just settle for the first Google page
Cyndi Uriza: yes, we have long had technolgy based standards
Birdie Newcomb: Oh, I'm feeling lucky 8=)
Jatt Writer: The guest speaker was Daniel Pink,, the author of a Whole New MInd
Angela Nicholls: lol Birdie
Jatt Writer: Which is about moving from left brain to right brain, to a whole mind
Cyndi Uriza: yes my district studies it last summer
Jatt Writer: go on
Cyndi Uriza: worthwhile
Birdie Newcomb: Thiknking to feeling?
Cyndi Uriza: combines Brain reseach with needs of the job market, 21st century skills, etc
Cyndi Uriza: need big picture thinkers, synthesizers
Cyndi Uriza: people who are willing to use all facets of intelligence
Birdie Newcomb: Do the parents want to hear that?
Cyndi Uriza: not limited to math, science, liner thinking
Cyndi Uriza: yes
Cyndi Uriza: most of them do
Birdie Newcomb: That's the unmeasurable area
Cyndi Uriza: they work, they know the work place is changing
Jatt Writer: Interestingly I handed out the info you have received to district parents
Cyndi Uriza: i'm in Detroit, lots of layed off parents with old style skills
Jatt Writer: they commented that those are their children and they are these parents
Jatt Writer: they know
Cyndi Uriza: yes,they want their children to prosper in the future
Jatt Writer: Another good book just for reference is "Don't Bother Me Mom I'm Learning, byt Marc Prensky
Birdie Newcomb: I know that one
Birdie Newcomb: Is that what we need to teach the parents?
Cyndi Uriza: me, too. good book, harder to sell to administrator, though
Jatt Writer: Birdie, that is a good lead in to another piece of the discussion
Jatt Writer: Corwin, could we get the third note
Aidenn Brooks: Jatt, what is the attitude of Millennials to the career beyond college?
Jatt Writer: please
Birdie Newcomb: I think that's what Prensky was about
Jatt Writer: They are very concerened
Corwin Carillon: 3rd note out
Jatt Writer: they want the "right" first job that will propel them to be as sucessful as possible.
Aidenn Brooks: ok
Corwin Carillon: behind Aidenn
Jatt Writer: One of the noes is that a student entering college has already spent 5-10 years planning their future
Jatt Writer: You have all been touching on this, "what should we do"
Birdie Newcomb: Tell me more about ystems thinking processes
Jatt Writer: Perhas some of these possiblities will generate some more discussiona nd ideas
Corwin Carillon: the 5-10 planning is definitely not the case in Hong Kong ... is this the case all over the US?
Jatt Writer: Systems the love of my life!
Jatt Writer: In part the is based on the work of Peter Senge
Jatt Writer: That what we benfit from most is connected to the whole
Jatt Writer: That if you are on one part of the spider web and something jiggles
Jatt Writer: the entire web moves
Jatt Writer: we are all effected by actions
Dayna Wycliffe: all parts related and dependent on each other to make the whole work
Jatt Writer: This is becoming even more relevant and important in education
Jatt Writer: as we become more global and the world smaller
Jatt Writer: we cannot hold out as a fortress as mentioned before
Jatt Writer: we have to enbrace all thoers, their knowledge, skils culture and ways
Aidenn Brooks: Very positive development.
Jatt Writer: Other thoughts?
Jatt Writer: Are you using project based learning
Kim Chihuly: in the notes, home curriculum? is that homework?
Aidenn Brooks: Yes, with some classes, not others.
Cyndi Uriza: we cannot expect students to sit quietly in their seats anymore
Kim Chihuly: yep - in most classes
Dayna Wycliffe: instructional design is systems based
Birdie Newcomb: Thankful that colleges are not boudn by NCLB
Jatt Writer: home curriculm refers to what students learn and use (tech) at home vs. what they learn at achool
Dayna Wycliffe: students definitely need to be action learners
Jatt Writer: that is right Dayna
Cyndi Uriza: I actually have my students doing stuff in Whyville which is actually giving them more sceince at home than at school
Jatt Writer: you are all generating some great comments
Cyndi Uriza: science
Birdie Newcomb: Well, it sounds like they're ready before we are
Jatt Writer: Nice Cyndi
Kim Chihuly: but we have to get them bto back up action with info, with some knowledge (read, a little lecture, learn the facts)
Kim Chihuly: cool cyndi!
Cyndi Uriza: info and action need to be integrated
Cyndi Uriza: just in time, what you need when you are using it info
Jatt Writer: There has been a lot of reseach plublished n the sucess of project based learning
Aidenn Brooks: Are there 'facts' anymore? Perhaps Millennials will be attuned the 'social construct' view of knowledge.
Birdie Newcomb: so well-rounded becoes multi-dimensional
Cyndi Uriza: there are "facts", but you find them not memeorize them
Kim Chihuly: sure there are facts - science facts, grammar facts, vocabulary, math facts - all building blocks
Jatt Writer: Yes, the days of sit and get aand spout facts are gone
Dayna Wycliffe: I think there are facts but lectures are not the most efficient way to present them
Jatt Writer: For example, parents are going to want to know good reson any child is being asked to write a term paper like some of us did
Aidenn Brooks: Perhaps project based learning is a way to discover 'facts' and build knowledge.
Angela Nicholls: interactive learning challenging them to create and come up with the answers
Corwin Carillon: project-based or inquiry/problem-based?
Cyndi Uriza: you still need your multiplication tables to figure out area to build things for example
Aidenn Brooks: Could be both.
Birdie Newcomb: depends on the course
Cyndi Uriza: maybe even student choice in thematter
Dayna Wycliffe: Exploring and hands-on activities will yield learning outcomes that will remain with students
Angela Nicholls: the process is the product!
Cyndi Uriza: offer multiple options for demonstrating learning
Corwin Carillon: I think that depends Dayna on the meaingfulness (as percieved by students) of the activities
Jatt Writer: Some of the 21st Century skills that students us in project based learning include
Jatt Writer: setting their own goals
Jatt Writer: owership and control over their learning
Jatt Writer: working cooperatively
Jatt Writer: critical thinkin
Jatt Writer: engagement in elarning
Birdie Newcomb: Learning with others
Jatt Writer: in depth investigation of real world problems
Jatt Writer: community culture
Jatt Writer: use of image
Jatt Writer: higher lever of thinking and problem solving
Jatt Writer: others you can think of?
Derrik Beck: flexible thinking
Jatt Writer: yes
Birdie Newcomb: initative
Jatt Writer: yes
Babette Vuckovic: Problem solving, synthesis
Jatt Writer: yes
Jatt Writer: Also
Birdie Newcomb: taking risks
Derrik Beck tries to think of something to make jatt say "no"
Derrik Beck: :-)
Jatt Writer: project based learning allows teachers to create tasks whose complexity and openess mimics the problems of the real world
Jatt Writer: Funny Derrik
Birdie Newcomb: or create simulations for a future world
Derrik Beck: ooh Birdie, yes
Birdie Newcomb: take ownership of their own learning
Cyndi Uriza: yes, that is so important
Cyndi Uriza: no top down dictatorship
Jatt Writer: One other piece
Jatt Writer: piece
Jatt Writer: what about assessment
Kim Chihuly: except they need to experience that top down dictatorship - they're going to have a boss, they need to know how to work wihtin rules too
Derrik Beck: it does become much more complex
Jatt Writer: How are we going to know if we are successful at teaching Millennials
Cyndi Uriza: but most work is more colaborative, rules, yes, but dictators, no
Kim Chihuly: assessment - we're getting hit with that in our program evaluation (middle states)
Kim Chihuly: cyndi - guess i had the last dictator boss<G>
Jatt Writer: Well, I can tell you there is no A LOT out there yet
Cyndi Uriza: i tell students stright up what benchmarks they need t meet
Jatt Writer: onassessment
Jatt Writer: Right now our state is adopting new technology standards
Cyndi Uriza: I have one, I just ignore him :-)
Birdie Newcomb: Thanks Jatt, I gotta go. Good discussion.
Jatt Writer: ok
CDB Barkley: Hey folks, just a heads up were are nearing the end of the hour, we can talk on and on...
CDB Barkley: but we ought to thanks Jatt for prepping this discussion
Jatt Writer: final comments anyone
Jatt Writer: observations
Dayna Wycliffe: Very interesting, thank you
Derrik Beck: thanks much Jatt
Cyndi Uriza: thank you
Kim Chihuly: thanks Jatt!
Angela Nicholls: excellent discussion, thanks Jatt!
Jatt Writer: One more thing
CDB Barkley: and form more of a lsitening mode, i am in 100% agrement with the sentiments here, though we are the choir
Aidenn Brooks: Great discussion - I've learned a lot.
CDB Barkley: so the hard part, and food for thought is...
Jatt Writer: We have developed an online professional development course on Millennial learners for our teachers
Jatt Writer: they get inservice credit
CDB Barkley: .. what do we do about addresing change?
Jatt Writer: I am going to give you the name of our contact person
Jatt Writer: in case you are interested in using a course to spread the workd about how Millennial students learn
Aidenn Brooks: Stay informed, is one thing I guess.
Cyndi Uriza: same as always, demonstrate the good and fight/ignore the bad
Jatt Writer: her email is ldoukas@washoe.k12.nv.us
Aidenn Brooks: Thanks.
Cyndi Uriza: be the smartest and best teacher in your building so you can push your boss and help your colegues
Angela Nicholls: That is great Jatt, thanks
Jatt Writer: Thank you all for your rich dialogue
Linc Kappler: thanks, jatt.
Jatt Writer: thank you all for your time
Jatt Writer: Anything else Cdb?
Aidenn Brooks: Thanks very much Jatt and everyone. Have to go to RL now. Bye!
Angela Nicholls: thanks again Jatt for sharing and encouraging us to think towards the Millennials!
Jatt Writer: ok
Jatt Writer: thank you all
CDB Barkley: Thanks to everyone for coming!
Linc Kappler: I got to go too. thanks for the discussion again.
Kim Chihuly: good discussion!
Derrik Beck: ooops
Cyndi Uriza: thanks everyone. great discussion.
Kim Chihuly: bye everybody - gotta go figure out how to work some of these 21st century skills into a discussion of excel pivot tables<G>
Jatt Writer: :)
Derrik Beck: good luck
CDB Barkley: he he its all in what you pivot
Kim Chihuly: good one cdb<G> - bye folks
Jatt Writer: thanks for being here CDB
CDB Barkley: thansk Jan
Jatt Writer: Talk to you later
The meeting closed at 22:7 Linden time.
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