Teachers Buzz Jul 23 Transcript
From NMC-Campus
Kisa Naumova: Hey El :)
Geoffrey Mayo: Corwin, does that recorder create a text file of the chat?
Eloise Pasteur: Teachers chatting about appearence
Eloise Pasteur: Hi Kisa
Ellie Brewster: Hi guys!
Eloise Pasteur: Hi Ellie!
Corwin Carillon: yes Geoffrey
Aurili Oh: hi elle and all who've arrrived
Geoffrey Mayo: nice, is it free?
Corwin Carillon: if people click it to sign in agreement
Eloise Pasteur: Nope, sorry Geoffrey
Farley Scarborough smiles at AngryBeth's business suit.
Corwin Carillon: no .. Eloise who is here sells it
Eloise Pasteur: It's L$500
Desideria Stockton: hi everyone
Geoffrey Mayo: ok, great
Corwin Carillon: hiya Kisa, Angrybeth, Farley
Corwin Carillon: hey dei!
AngryBeth Shortbread: howdy do
Farley Scarborough: Hey Corwin
Corwin Carillon: Desi
Desideria Stockton: hey beth
ZacharyJ Carter: hi everyone
Corwin Carillon: Hi Zach
ZacharyJ Carter: I am still baking
Veronix Bade: sorry I am so new at this moving thing
Desideria Stockton: hi Zak - welcome to your first buzz
ZacharyJ Carter: thanks
ZacharyJ Carter: who is the moderator?
Desideria Stockton: Corwin
Corwin Carillon: Welcome everyone ... I don't know if you have seen the email that Alan (CDB Barkeley) just sent to SLED with some resources re tongiht
Corwin Carillon: Moderatort .. ermmm .. these are very informal ..
Desideria Stockton: hi jim :-)
Jim Gustafson: Hi Des :)
Desideria Stockton: and Cubist!
Cubist Scarborough: Hi!
Desideria Stockton: and Robins - and all my fave peeps are here!!!!!!
Robins Hermano: Hello
Desideria Stockton: Ellie, the goddess of women's studies :-)
Corwin Carillon: wow lots of people today!
Aurili Oh: I'm new hi all!
Desideria Stockton: awesome
Ellie Brewster: Hiya Desi
Corwin Carillon: hey CDB
CDB Barkley: hi
Corwin Carillon: we need some more seats
Desideria Stockton: what a great crowd
ZacharyJ Carter: Do you always have this many?
Desideria Stockton tosses scooby snacks to CDB
Corwin Carillon: welcome once again ...
Corwin Carillon: before we begin ... we will be recording the session and putting the transcript
Corwin Carillon: onto the NMC Campus wiki ...
Corwin Carillon: so could you please click the recorder behind me if you are ok with being recorded
Corwin Carillon: thx
CDB Barkley: So many pretty people
Eloise Pasteur: And cute doggies
Kisa Naumova: LOL
CDB Barkley wags
Corwin Carillon: a night of the avatars ... well it's midnight for me :)
ZacharyJ Carter: also, please im me if you do not want your thoughts recorded in an article for SLNN
CDB Barkley: Welcome Zak!
CDB Barkley: We are glad to have some coverage
ZacharyJ Carter: thanks, CDB
Corwin Carillon: and Eloise for SLI :)
ZacharyJ Carter: it is good to be here
CDB Barkley: Of course!
Eloise Pasteur: lol, and whilst we're on it, I'll be reportin for SLI too, but not quoting people directly
Desideria Stockton: lol
Corwin Carillon: Hi Veritas
Veritas Variscan: Hello, Everyone! Good day!
Alfy Rosebud: I'll be reporting for The Chronicle of Higher Education
Desideria Stockton: play nice, you press peeps
Farley Scarborough: Everyone be sure to rebake for the camera. *smiles*
ZacharyJ Carter: No worries - I adore Eloise
Eloise Pasteur looks for her flamethrower and wonders if that's nice enough :-)
Corwin Carillon: lol
Veritas Variscan powders nose
Farley Scarborough: Not that kind of rebaking,Eloise.
Eloise Pasteur: Ah, damn, lol
Joskie Despres: If I had another computer, I would have my alt with me!
Farley Scarborough chuckles
Aurili Oh: someone else has an alt??
Veritas Variscan: ooh we could sit here, and dress up the alts
Aurili Oh: ;)
Desideria Stockton: lol
Desideria Stockton: who is your alt?
Joskie Despres: of course
ProfJ Merlin: Is this situation with the avatars labeling a bit obscured?
Joskie Despres: Shall I invite her?
Veritas Variscan: heh heh
Corwin Carillon: so avarars and appearance ... partic educators appearance ... has been quite a topic!
Eloise Pasteur: lol, having been testing the registration API recently, I'm not sure how many alts I have, but a sim full probably
Joskie Despres: lol
Desideria Stockton: Sadly. there is only one computer in all of Schnecksville runs SL
CDB Barkley: Yes, testing the regAPI I created 40 toasted newbie avs- all named "Zoraster" _____
Farley Scarborough: An army of one
Corwin Carillon wonders how many El's there are here now
Desideria Stockton: so, you are stuck with Desi
Joskie Despres: alts are a nice way for us to segregate different kinds of experiences
Eloise Pasteur: Um, about0 at a guess?
Joskie Despres: or, to get out of our skin in different ways
Aurili Oh: i like the way that sounds
Veritas Variscan: mmhmm
ProfJ Merlin: What if we spread out?
Farley Scarborough: We are all Eloise's alts, Corwin. It's really just you and her here.
Eloise Pasteur: I've sent an email to the dev team saying "this email address is all mine and all worth deleting"
Aurili Oh: lol!!
Veritas Variscan: ahhhhhhh
Joskie Despres: hahaha
Eloise Pasteur: Shhh
CDB Barkley: Welcome everyone to the NMC Teachers Buzz...
Corwin Carillon: lol .. and are you suire I'm not El farley?
CDB Barkley: Any first timers here?
Jim Gustafson: yes
Farley Scarborough: yikes
Aurili Oh: me
Kena Xeno: yes
Philippine Hawks: yes
Geoffrey Mayo: yes, first time here
CDB Barkley: Welcome
Rolig Loon: yes
dante Vanbeeck: me too!
Veritas Variscan: I think I came once last year CDB
Veronix Bade: yes, and I have to leave for a RL meeting soon
CDB Barkley: We've been meeting almost a year now, every 2 weeks
Vanille Voom: yes
ZacharyJ Carter: me
ProfJ Merlin: me
Veritas Variscan: haven't been in quite some time, I do know that
CDB Barkley: The idea was to have some time for formal to informal discussions about teaching, learning in SL
Kisa Naumova: You know, when I first thought of teaching in SL, my immediate idea was to create an alt. But I decided not to
CDB Barkley: Sometimes we do field trips, sometimes folks like Desi and Eloise invites us tot heir class
CDB Barkley: to their class
Desideria Stockton: LOL
Corwin Carillon: hehe
Eloise Pasteur: Me too Kisa, but ditto
Veritas Variscan: Me, too, Kisa
Desideria Stockton: I cant be Eloise's al - she knows how to build and I dont
CDB Barkley: And we liek to have just some open discussions as well
Veritas Variscan: I tried to buy my real name, too when I first came
Corwin Carillon: Clare watch you don't become toast and need an alt
CDB Barkley: Info and Buzz archives at http://sl.nmc.org/wiki/Teachers_Buzz_Session
Clare Lane: it looked like a chair!
CDB Barkley: Anyhow, Nick and I decided to pick up on active topics on the SLED list...
Joskie Despres: up here Clare!!
Desideria Stockton: hi Clare - glad you got here, hon
CDB Barkley: and recently there were some ones on both the "professional" appearances some choose for teahcing in SL...
CDB Barkley: .... as well as "the silliness of replciating RL in SL"
CDB Barkley: relicating
Kisa Naumova: I felt that if students weren't able to cope with a visual presentation of how I *wanted* to be, then it wasn't the right kind of learning environment for me to engage in
CDB Barkley: replicating
CDB Barkley: But avatar choice is so much a foundation for the Sl experience
ZacharyJ Carter: dont worry, I will fix all spelling errors
Veritas Variscan: (we all speak typo, CDB)
CDB Barkley: We thought it would be interesting to hear people share some info on thei av choices
ZacharyJ Carter: Right, Desi?
Aurili Oh: i'm into doing gender....differently
CDB Barkley: and thoughts on mutliple avs or how we represent ourselves
Desideria Stockton pokes Zak
Joskie Despres: I think it begins for many iwth the name selection process...
CDB Barkley: So the mike is open, what was the basis for your current experience?
CDB Barkley: appearance!
Veritas Variscan: I came here and dressed in camo pants or jeans and a quilted jacket for a long time
Veritas Variscan: I couldn't get over the look of the clothing
CDB Barkley: Or how many of you stick with one avvie or swap alot?
Veritas Variscan: and I was actually repelled by much of it
ZacharyJ Carter: I am hispanic in real life, but I have ahrd time finding a good skin in here
Robins Hermano: I've had the same outfit for months now
Aurili Oh: i have several looks on each of my avatars
Joskie Despres: I use Joskie for most things--when logged on as alt, Joskie is inactive
Eloise Pasteur: Something I was comfortable with, all those years ago on OI. I've basically not changed in SL in over 3 years. Better skin, hair, eyes, clothes, but still the same shape, hair colour, eye colour etc.
Veritas Variscan: It took my about 4 months to be able to get the patience and desire to adjust a skirt
Geoffrey Mayo: For me, I have an alt, which will remain anonomous. But for my public persona, I specifically chose a name that was close to my real name. I ended up with the common mispelling of my first name, and the common mispronounciation of my last name
Kena Xeno: Ifeel really silly in all the girly girl stuff.
Desideria Stockton: I adopted Barbie for a gender discourse prohjject
CDB Barkley: For myself, I use dog metaphors a lot for blogging, my usernames on the web.... I started with some lame avs, bought some bad skins..
Robins Hermano: I only change it rarely, I think it has to do with the # of mens clothing shops compared to womens
Kena Xeno: It must be partially the reactions of an academic
CDB Barkley: And just decided to buy a cheap collie avatar (L$500)
Philippine Hawks: I find difficult to appear quite younger than I'am. I'd like to be able to look older !
Veritas Variscan: I try to stick to the types of clothes I wear in RL, except some of the hemlines and necklines are lower or shorter *blushes*
Aurili Oh: hear hear for looking older!
Joskie Despres: my default look can look moderatly professional or laid back , or even sxy...
CDB Barkley: And it is my own play on the old New Yorker cartoon about "on the net no one knows you are a dog"
Veritas Variscan: I tried to look my real age for months, then I gave up
Veritas Variscan: :-)
Philippine Hawks: me too
Desideria Stockton: I looked in my niece's barbie bag and buy only clothes that are like the clothes in her bag
Joskie Despres: Yes, the tempation to be young and beautiful is strong!
Rolig Loon: I don't want to look my real age. I like being 30 years younger.
Veritas Variscan: ha ha ha
Kim Chihuly: I figure I look older than I act - that's a start
Eloise Pasteur: I wish I'd looked this good hen I was this age!
Thursday Xu: i chose to have darker skin - because i didn't see much of that in here.
Corwin Carillon: hehe me too el
Joskie Despres: The gymns in SL must do a fabulous business
Eloise Pasteur: lol Joskie
Kisa Naumova: My avie is, um, "aspirational" I guess
ZacharyJ Carter: you are right - it is hard to find good non-white skin
Robins Hermano: I find it can be jolting if I change my skin, appearance too much, then it seems my AV is not me anymore
Joskie Despres: yes, the pales skins seem to dominate
Kip Roffo: I chose function over form: short name for fast typing; simple av/dress for fast looks
Veritas Variscan: I have tried many looks, but I find that people in here get used to a certain look, and that I have tohave too many silly conversations whenever I change my appearance dramatically, so I tend to stick with this one now
Eloise Pasteur: KatanaBlade does nice Asiatic skins
Aurili Oh: who's spent any time in the "opposite" gender
Veronix Bade: I have to sneak out to a RL meeting now, thanks for this, I look forward more meetings
Desideria Stockton: I agree, Veritas
Joskie Despres: I have
Veritas Variscan: I don't like to have to start every conversation with "how we look"
Veritas Variscan: Take care, veronix!
Joskie Despres: I like the gender crossing possibilities in SL
CDB Barkley: Beyondour own activities, how does this play out for teaching / learning in SL?
Kisa Naumova: Do you mean ooposite RL gender, or opposite SL gender?
Eloise Pasteur: I've spent time as a dragon
Joskie Despres: something not easily done in RL
Desideria Stockton: take care
Philippine Hawks: people get used to your apparence and they dont' like when you change it
Kim Chihuly: i have my students change gender on their avies - and then i do as well
DIIAAdmin UTexas: it0% depends on the audience. blandness, i've found removes the significance of appearance.
ZacharyJ Carter: take good care
Kim Chihuly: they don't like it at al
Aurili Oh: opposite from RL
Veritas Variscan: I do have other avatars, animals, Neko, etc.
Joskie Despres: It's good for personal learning--NOW I understand why women love to shopo!
Eloise Pasteur: And I have an alt with an either/or name, but I'm almost always in female form with her too
Corwin Carillon: Ive spent time as a nighthawk, neko
Joskie Despres: shop
Kisa Naumova: I guess I do then. But that's a tricky question
Clare Lane: I messed with my avi for a long time, and I'm still not happy with some things
Veritas Variscan: I have a man, too, but I found it very hard to be a man, I'd have to fake - BUT I find him much more attractive to look at onscreen!
Joskie Despres: ha!
Veritas Variscan: He's a lot better-looking than I am...
Clare Lane: I find it interesting that there are so many men here
CDB Barkley: In our educators SL survey,% represented themselves cross-genfer, another% were animals / non humans
Veritas Variscan: in RL or SL
Desideria Stockton: It is hard to be Barbie in here when i am so NOT like Barbie in real life
Ellie Brewster: So how does appearance connect to reputation? Does establishing a reputation require that we stick to only one appearance?
Vidorah Messmer: i'm a hottie
Veritas Variscan: absolutely, Desi, but it CAN be fun at times
Clare Lane: How is it haRD dESI?
Joskie Despres: I think developing a recognizable appearance is importatnt
Veritas Variscan: I saw it as a betrayl of my feminist beliefs when I first started here
CDB Barkley: But with all the activity people put into appearances, does it feed the perception of Sl as something silly?
Veritas Variscan: The objectification of women enraged me
Philippine Hawks: I agree
Desideria Stockton: Well, in the academic community, it seems that beautiful women siffer from a poor reputation - that being beautiful means that you slept your way through a PhD
Eloise Pasteur: I wish it had been that easy!
Desideria Stockton: the real Beth is much less glitzy and, thus, doesn't experience the blond jokes or the cutesy pie crap
Veritas Variscan: I rebelled against the sexy look, tried to look as old as I possibly could
Rolig Loon: AS in "don't hate m for being beautiful?"
Desideria Stockton: for me, I have found that this avatar is more "judged" than others
Clare Lane: But Desi, you have a very serious AO and I don't think we can have
Desideria Stockton: well, maybe not that Rolig
Veritas Variscan: I just thought that the only thing I should be judged on was my intellect
Ellie Brewster: There's beautiful, and there's beautiful. You don't have to wear glitz to be beautiful, even in SL.
Desideria Stockton: but, for example, one person asked me - Can students even take you seriously looking like that?
Clare Lane: an intelliugent discussion about the way we portray ourselves, if we don't consider the AOs
Desideria Stockton: I agree Ellie
Rolig Loon: I can be attractive and look professional/smart.
DIIAAdmin UTexas: ellie, appearance can connect to reputation, and when that does, i think that says something about the audience forming their impressions of you. i think establishing a reputation can be important.
Veritas Variscan: However, I do love tattoos, and that is a luxury I have had no problem indulging myself in
ZacharyJ Carter: Desi - do you use alternate avatars?
Desideria Stockton: No - Desi is Desi
Desideria Stockton: and Beth is Beth
Veritas Variscan smiles
Desideria Stockton: they share a heart and mind, but not the same body
Joskie Despres: For me, being human and reasonably attractive isvery important becuase the key to building communities is building relationships, and people are more comfortable (in general) communicating with people whose appearance makes them comfortable
Rolig Loon: Yes.
CDB Barkley and CDB likes both Desi and Beth
Clare Lane: good point
Veritas Variscan nods.
Corwin Carillon: hmm I wonder how much people associate the avatar with the RL person ... people's words shine through
Desideria Stockton: lol - thank you CDB - tosses a snack over there
CDB Barkley: and what effect voice will have on ID
Clare Lane: mostly more in the ed community
Rolig Loon: It will kill it.
Desideria Stockton: Corwin, that is a FASCINATING question
Kena Xeno: the problem is that barbie beauty makes alot of academics uncomfortable
Desideria Stockton: do people refer to themselves as I in here?
Veritas Variscan: mmm, yes, voice will be very interesting
Joskie Despres: I think the personality always comes through most strongly in the chat, the communication
Kisa Naumova: Ha, well you saw the reaction most people have when they hear my voice CDB
Aurili Oh: i do
Desideria Stockton: like, for example, I always refer to Desi as Desi
Aurili Oh: my profile has all my rl info
Desideria Stockton: but on SLed, I tend to refer to myself as Beth
Kisa Naumova: Desi, yes, Kisa is me
Rolig Loon: I am me in SL. I don't reveal me in RL.
Desideria Stockton: interesting, Kisa
Desideria Stockton: why?
Eloise Pasteur: I think there's a lot of it Corwin - the look of the person is tied to the way they talk, what they say. It's had a lot of evolution to run that way
Kisa Naumova: But then I have interchangeable identities, depending on how peopl eknow me
Veritas Variscan: What do you mean, Rolig?
8] pt Oh: Since it is widely understood that most of us look different in SL than in RL, it is a chance to explore what it is like to not be treated based on you RL age, gender, shape, ethnicity, etc.
Eloise Pasteur: And I'm Eloise
CDB Barkley: The beauty here is there are no singular answers here- we can choose SL to be mirrors of ourselves, or not
Eloise Pasteur: To to the point I answer to it in the street
Rolig Loon: RL is RL, SL is SL. Here is my reality.
ZacharyJ Carter: Do you often get confused as a furry, CD?
Veritas Variscan: I like thatpt
Clare Lane: I agree I am CLare, I am Lisa
Rolig Loon: My RL appearance has no bearing.
Clare Lane: I am both
Kisa Naumova: People in RL call me Kisa, if they know me through SL
CDB Barkley: No Zak
CDB Barkley: Well, maybe behind my back
GEOELDER Clary: Hello, everyone?
Ellie Brewster: I went to a RL meeting the other day, and someone referred to me as "Ellie." Weird. Ellie gets more hits on google than I do.I went to a RL meeting the other day, and someone referred to me as "Ellie." Weird. Ellie gets more hits on google than I do.
CDB Barkley: I dont get out much ;-)
ZacharyJ Carter: lol
Eloise Pasteur: lol
Aurili Oh: lol
Corwin Carillon: that's interesting El .. prob for me too but corwin is an online name I've used in MOOs before this
Eloise Pasteur: I did a piece about that for SLI a while ago
ZacharyJ Carter: Does that bother you, Ellie?
CDB Barkley: I look forward to some more expressive faces - they are still kind of creepy rigid
Kisa Naumova: It freaks me out sometimes when AngryBeth calls me up and says "Hi Graham" though
Veritas Variscan: Hello GEO
GEOELDER Clary: Is this meeting being held in text chat only?
CDB Barkley: yes,,, chat only
Rolig Loon: Yes
Joskie Despres: if sl is sl,and your rl personality doesn't come through in sl, then how can you be as effective?
Eloise Pasteur: if you search for "eloise pastuer" I've got hundreds of hits on google, and they're all me
ZacharyJ Carter: Would you rather people identified you by your RL work?
CDB Barkley: But feel free to make noise
Ellie Brewster: It doesn't bother me, really, Ellie is "teacher me."
Corwin Carillon: Kisa...
Eloise Pasteur: My RL name, I crop up on about page 15 of google
Joskie Despres: many people bring their rw work into sl
Thursday Xu: yes we hear you
Kisa Naumova: Yes Crwin?
Corwin Carillon: I had that with larry too in reverse .. in SL at the start kept referring to me as Nick
GEOELDER Clary: I am so tired of typing.
Robins Hermano: Isn't SL RL work?
Rolig Loon: Using my RL voice on a SL avatar crosses a line that makes me uncomfortable.. My Sl persona does not fit my RL voice and vice versa.
Eloise Pasteur: Ah, with everyone I know I stick to their SL name, just about all the time
Desideria Stockton: sometimes i do that to you, Nick
Corwin Carillon: lol
CDB Barkley: Maybe Rl will become SL
CDB Barkley: hah
Desideria Stockton: and to cdb
GEOELDER Clary: I think sl is a part of my real life
Veritas Variscan: Well I am still trying to buy my real name!
Clare Lane: it's not already? LOL
Desideria Stockton: can you buy it Veritas?
Desideria Stockton: do they let you?
Veritas Variscan: But now I am known as this name, and I have used it (the first name) for over a decade on the net
Eloise Pasteur: Corwin is Corwin, even though some folks call him Nick sometimes, and when he emails jobs I might like it comes up as Nick on the email
Aurili Oh: sl is definately becoming an extension of my first world
Joskie Despres: I tried to get Josquin, but someone already got it, but is apparently not active
CDB Barkley: But... this crowd here is pretty immersed into this space... how do we bridge people new to Sl to the choicese available?
Veritas Variscan: No, they won't let me...yet
GEOELDER Clary: I see it as a place from which my genuine self acts to educate, so I do not have sl /rl distance.
Desideria Stockton: that stinks - Ver
Veritas Variscan: only the huge orgs can buy their names, and they are stuck with the same last name
Farley Scarborough: It was funny at the NMC conference in June, those of us who got to meet in person often called each other by SL names and RL names from time to time
Eloise Pasteur: SL is where I rest work and play
Veritas Variscan: costs about $2,000US
Desideria Stockton: well, it all depends on preference
Corwin Carillon: hehe yes Farley
CDB Barkley: And how does this play into being accepted as "academic" work?
Desideria Stockton: some people need to represent themselves professionally - in suits and what not - because theur funding bodies require it
Eloise Pasteur: I know a RL couple who call each other by their SL names all the time, RL and SL
Farley Scarborough chuckles
Desideria Stockton: others that are self funded - like m and eloise - dont have that same pressure
GEOELDER Clary: Since I work in an online language institute, I have no limitations about keeping the academy happy.
GEOELDER Clary: We are outsiders.
Kisa Naumova: Has anyone had negative implications from the way they present themselves in SL?
Kisa Naumova: I mean, "outcomes"
Desideria Stockton: I have - just a few times
Clare Lane: only a bad come-on line from someone in the ed community
Joskie Despres: no negative implications yet, but it is early....
Desideria Stockton: not so much now, but before when i first started
Desideria Stockton: same here, Clare!
Kwi Ni: I haven't had any really bad negative outcomes... but I was really surprised by the amount of RL "out of place-ness" I fealt when I went somewhere and wasn't dressed to "blend in"
Eloise Pasteur: Yes, some very tacky come-ons from people that really should know better
Corwin Carillon: negative in SL or RL Kisa? or both?
Kena Xeno: I've shown alot of demos to people at the university and haven't had any negative reactions about the avatar types they see--just interest or befudablement
Kisa Naumova: Both I guess
ZacharyJ Carter: do you feel responsible to represent your schools here?
Veritas Variscan: I try, most of the time to dress in a non-controversial way - I just would rather not have to talk about appearance every time I see someone, although I am more than willing to help a newcomer to Sl re-make themselves in accordance with their dreams/desires
Kisa Naumova: I gave a talk last week, and most people laughed uncomfortably when they saw my avie
Aurili Oh: yes and no
Robins Hermano: I do if its on my schools parcel
ZacharyJ Carter: your image reflecting thiers?
GEOELDER Clary: I am sorry. My reading disabilities make it hard for me to follow such complicated text. I would love to speak about this, but I really have a hard time following the text.
Clare Lane: I don't because I'm here for my self as an educator
Clare Lane: not representing my school
Joskie Despres: yes, but I limit who I share my school affiliation with
CDB Barkley: Many educators end up doing this on their own time and dime
Aurili Oh: when i'm on our campus more so
Eloise Pasteur: A friend went to a business meeting in SL with an university the othere day. There was a furry there, so she said "hello Ladies, Gentlemen and Furries"
GEOELDER Clary: If someone wishes to speak about this topic, it would be great
Kena Xeno: not yet, because there aren't many from the campus here
Corwin Carillon: tell me CDB
Desideria Stockton: no worries, Geo - just share out in the open :-)
Kwi Ni: I went to a "gothic" island just to checkout something interesting... but was totally out of place since I wasn't all gothed out w/ wings and vampire teeth, cracy hair, etc.
Joskie Despres: Sorry Geo
GEOELDER Clary: I see you guys later.
Eloise Pasteur: Said furry was the dean, and liked it - the rest of hte staff were scandalised
Kisa Naumova: LOL el
Clare Lane: :-( bye Geo
GEOELDER Clary: If anyone wishes to speak , please I m latere
Veritas Variscan: OK GEO
GEOELDER Clary: Thanks
Joskie Despres: BRB all
Corwin Carillon: ok Geo
Eloise Pasteur: Bye geo
ZacharyJ Carter: Eloise, do you get a lot of heat because you wear the collar of submission in SL?
ZacharyJ Carter: and are a known and outted lesbian?
Eloise Pasteur: No, well, very rarely
Clare Lane: see I didn't know about collares and had to "look it up"
Aurili Oh: what about collars?
Kisa Naumova: One of my main concerns when considering how I was going to present to students, was being outed - I wondered how I was going to seperate personal things that I do in SL from a 'professional' engagement
Eloise Pasteur: I've taught Dommesand Doms, and tell them in class, I'm in charge and never had any problem even
Desideria Stockton: Sometimes my students make comments about her avatar, and we have a discussion about freedom of choice
Aurili Oh: are we talking SM?
Aurili Oh: collars
Aurili Oh: ?
Clare Lane: GOR?
Desideria Stockton: and generally, Eloise is very open to questions
Eloise Pasteur: Well, the whole lot, BDSM, yes Aurili
CDB Barkley: I'd like to say we have some outstanding examples of people making bold statements, modeling taking stands for who they are. Bravo!
Veritas Variscan: No,
Eloise Pasteur: But, not Gor, not for me
Clare Lane: questions are good!
Veritas Variscan: BDSM
Desideria Stockton: the students find her fascinating
Aurili Oh: familiar with ith
Corwin Carillon: Kisa, how has that separation worked out?
Desideria Stockton: and very approachable about the topic
Aurili Oh: my alt is ;)
Kisa Naumova: Heh, well, I got totally outed
Aurili Oh: i think SL allows a lot of discussions about these dicey issues that we might not have with students in rl
Eloise Pasteur: You're not very "in" though are you, Kisa, slightly more than me
Kim Chihuly: it worked the other way for me the other day - i was in a role play area, someone read my profile and wondered what my students would think about my outside activities
Kim Chihuly: the kids never asked
Kisa Naumova: But I found that the students who had the maturity to deal with SL, were mature enough to deal with it
Kisa Naumova: Ah, yes, that's true El ;)
Cubist Scarborough: Did any of the staff have the maturity to deal with it, Kisa?
Clare Lane: kids generally will take you as you are and don't label immediately
ZacharyJ Carter: excellent points
Robins Hermano: Does anyone think our students care much about our sexulatiy in RL?
Kisa Naumova: LOL@Cubist ;)
Aurili Oh: what age students Robin?
Veritas Variscan: I think that there are many facets to these issues. Individuals who are in SL on their own time arenot as subject to scrutiny as ones who have come here as representatives of their insitutions and organizations. We could probably divide this up into sub-topics and fill every one with great conversation.
Robins Hermano: Ahhh, university 19+
Kisa Naumova: That's a tricky one Robins
Kim Chihuly: i think they try to avoid thinking about that subject in relation to profs<G> - kind of like with their parents
Aurili Oh: you would think they would be....
Kisa Naumova: To what extent do we create boundaries around our personal and professional lifes
Ellie Brewster: they think more about our av's sexuality than about ours. we are "past it".
Kisa Naumova: And how do we do that in an environment like this, where we are always "on"?
Rolig Loon: Good question, Kisa.
Kisa Naumova: At work, when I leave, unless a student grabs me in the pub, then that's my private time
Eloise Pasteur: I think "do students think about our sexuality IRL" has a simple answer - it depends on the student. Some will, some won't, some will treat us like parents (espeically when we're their parent's age)
Rolig Loon: I think students are more comfortable with some sort of boundaries.
Desideria Stockton: Ellie, do your students know about your Avie's Ssexuality and your RL sexuality?
Clare Lane: being here on my own I have noticed that I have a definite tendancy to be more out there than I would be with new people in RL
Ellie Brewster: I' pretty open about both. You have to be in a WS environment.
Squizel Shan: I usually don't talk about my sexuality with students, rl or sl
Clare Lane: that's generally a good idea IO think
Clare Lane: but I'm k-12
ZacharyJ Carter: I agree with Ellie - students taking WS are more open to the discussion of sexualitry because it is mized with the subject matter
Eloise Pasteur: I think it depends on the topic you teach
ZacharyJ Carter: in math, that may not be the case, but in the humanities it is
Vidorah Messmer: I don't see any reason for us to discuss our sexuality with our studetns
Ellie Brewster: I don't have a problem with it, Ibut then, I'm straight, got kids, dog, mortgage, etc.
Kisa Naumova: I agree El
Corwin Carillon: it's not just age .. there's the culture of where you are too ... region and institution
ZacharyJ Carter: right, me too, Ellie
CDB Barkley: We have choices.. that's whats key
Veritas Variscan: I know a university professor who has had a lot of trouble. This person ran a class on their land in SL, on their own dime, but had GRAD students come in to do work in SL. A student made a formal complaint to the university b/c of a piece of artwork in the professor's home, and b/c of all the liability issues, the University took it very seriously, issuing an official reprimand to the professor, which I thought was wrong..these were, after all adults in Sl, coming in only to do work...
CDB Barkley: ow
Scottmerrick Oh: hey all, still rezzin
Eloise Pasteur: RL I mostly teach support, and I've talked about everything under the sun with students. Religion, politics, sexuality, swearing, as well as adding up and times tables
Desideria Stockton: did the person get fired?
Philippine Hawks: Being in France and teaching in an engineering school I consider sexuality a non subject to discuss with my students
Squizel Shan: Hi scott!
Kisa Naumova: I think one of the problems is that the boundaries are seemingly a lot more blurry with activities online, and no-one's really set a precident yet(?)
Scottmerrick Oh: Howdy
Aurili Oh: yes i agree Kisa,
Desideria Stockton: Veritas, did the faculty member get disciplined?
Kisa Naumova: I know of one person researching the ethics of online identities - I think it's a really interesting subject
Robins Hermano: I have my own personal parcel, and a leased one for my class. I'm not sure I'd have my students vist on my personal parrcel
ZacharyJ Carter: lol, Des - I was just about to ask that
CDB Barkley: That once rigid line between work and private life, school and private life is getting nicely blurred
DIIAAdmin UTexas: yes, liability and the degree to which we are accountable for sharing some of that responsibility definitely influences decisions.
Kim Chihuly: i was thinking that same thing Robins
Veritas Variscan: Not fired, but removed from one position of responsibility, Desi
Robins Hermano: Much like I wouldn't have them to my home in RL for the most part
Aurili Oh: I'm very much into the social life of avatars
Veritas Variscan: Personally, I'd probably litigate
Clare Lane: me too
Kisa Naumova: But then, I think that within a university context, those lines have always been blurred
Corwin Carillon: and is SL about serious play with our students .. and what might that imply re boundaries
ZacharyJ Carter: have you all heard about the faculty member that got fired for posting pics of herself smoking pot on myspace?
ZacharyJ Carter: Do you think that MySpace is different than SL?
CDB Barkley: Not too smart, eh?
Kisa Naumova: Conceptually, not really Zac
Clare Lane: when I first cam into SL I was stil KJs student in grad school and I think we both worried about that percxeption a little
ZacharyJ Carter: like, what happens if your avatar smokes pot in here - is it the same offense?
Kwi Ni: everyone: I'm interested to know what you're teaching in SL and why you chose to use SL to teach that topic
CDB Barkley: MySpace is ugly, trashy
Scottmerrick Oh: hmmm sounds like one we want to share with our kids doing myspace
Squizel Shan: yes, discretion is still discretion
Eloise Pasteur: During my PhD I went for Sunday breakfast with my supervisor most months. And to Thanksgiving meals thanks to his American wife
Aurili Oh: completely different i think
Palani Allen: So there could be differences in perception, from Admin, instructor, students, leading to the concerns.
Squizel Shan: which aurili?
Desideria Stockton: well, I think at some level, your provate life needs to be proivate, Zak
Aurili Oh: sl and myspace
Eloise Pasteur: And he came to my house for flatwarming, and other odd parties
Desideria Stockton: what did she gain by posting those pics?
Rolig Loon: I agree, Desi.
Robins Hermano: I think grad students are different, a closer relationship usually forms, your becoming part of the academy
Squizel Shan: Can I ask a question?
Veritas Variscan: Yes, I agree Desi, one must be cautious
Aurili Oh: far more room and creativity in sl
Desideria Stockton: if she wants to smoke pot, that is fine - but why post pictures?
Kisa Naumova: This is it though El - we drink with our students, not something we'd do if they were at secondary school (obviously)
Veritas Variscan nods
Geoffrey Mayo: I missed some of this, took a phone call, so excuse me if this is repetitious. There does seem to be the notion that your online persona, whether you think it is personal or not, is fair game to an employer. For better or worse. Most college kids are now learning that future employers are searching mysapce and facebook to see how they represent themselves. I think that given the ease of exposing, for lack of a better term, ones self here in SL is something educators, and professionals in general, should be wary of. That's why my alt is an alt and I do not share my alt ID.
Corwin Carillon: ask away Squizel
Squizel Shan: Would some of you women speak with me differently than with a man or male avi?
Aurili Oh: Myspace is literal extension of RL social life
Desideria Stockton: at some level, if you are here representing a college or uni - you have to take into consideration their reputation
Desideria Stockton: and the same is true on MySpace
Kisa Naumova: True Desi
Veritas Variscan: Same thing here, geoffrey - I totally agree
Desideria Stockton: if you list your employuyer
Squizel Shan: (I'm over here near Corwin)
Desideria Stockton: just because it is a diary - doesn
Desideria Stockton: 't mean you cant moderate
Clare Lane: no squizel
Veritas Variscan looks for Squizel
Squizel Shan: to Corwins left
Clare Lane: although someone told me that there was a sexual connotation to all furries
ZacharyJ Carter: but that goes against your libertarian philospohy, Desi - you say that everyone should celebrate free speech
Eloise Pasteur: Squizel, I'm not sure: probably not, but you might talk to me differently and that would change things over time
Geoffrey Mayo: For me, my RL job is very public. I work on the public dime. So as a gov't official, my avatar here is literally an extension of my position in SL. So I maintain this avatar as such
Clare Lane: I love animals so I suppose my preference to them over some people would color my interactions with furries
Kisa Naumova: I try and keep my employer out of my personal web stuff, but that's harder these days now I'm 'working' for them in SL
CDB Barkley: Not all who wear fur are furries
Squizel Shan: so my look may make a difference in some cases
Thursday Xu: Squizel, i woul treat you as you wish to appear.
Desideria Stockton: I dont think there ought to be laws against it, Zak, but you have to accept the ramifications of your choices
Clare Lane: good point!
Squizel Shan: of course.
Desideria Stockton: She is FREE to post what she wants
Eloise Pasteur: Hmm, maybe - but to be honest how you act will make more difference
Clare Lane: one that most of us don't know details about
Robins Hermano: I think how you look and the context in which you are might make a difference
Scottmerrick Oh: Desi that's an important lesson to teach our students
Squizel Shan: I am the alt of Joskie
Desideria Stockton: but she is FREE to accept the challenges it presents
Robins Hermano: But right now in a discussion like this I don't think it matters, at least not to me
Aurili Oh: part of the fun and learning of SL is to interact with the Avi as s/he appears
Eloise Pasteur: If you act like a reasonable human being, then, I treat you like one. If you act like a jerk, I treat you like one of those. But I don't automatically assume men are jerks
Palani Allen: Your avi appearance can help to set the theme for the day's instruction.
Kisa Naumova: One thing I find, is that I'm more likely to feel comfortable myself in wearing clothes like I do IRL with students, when I'm with them in SL
Aurili Oh: so i don't try to find out "who's behind" the avi
Robins Hermano: Thanks El, lol
ZacharyJ Carter: ok, so you are not saying she shouldnt be allowed to post them - but that the decision might affect her in ways like being fired
Vidorah Messmer: gotta go
Ivy Innis: impartant Palani
Rolig Loon: Or not getting tenure.
Vidorah Messmer: bye
Squizel Shan: I think Desi makes a great example of someone whose looks makes a firstt impression, which is quickly superceded by her sommunication
Eloise Pasteur: Bye Vidorah
Corwin Carillon: bye vidorah
Squizel Shan: communication
Robins Hermano: I agree Squizel
Desideria Stockton: in an ideal world. she wouldnt be fired - people would simply accpet that people do illegal things in their free time, but this world is not ideal, and colleges do have a reputation to protect if they want to attraxct good students
Veritas Variscan: bye Vidorah
Desideria Stockton: lol Squizel
Rolig Loon: Exactly, Desi.
Squizel Shan: ;)
Squizel Shan: but very true
Clare Lane: a friend IMd the other day saying she was in a presentation with colleagues and would I like to come? the first thing I said was, let me change, I'm in shorts
Desideria Stockton: i am not sure what that means Squizzel, lol
Kisa Naumova: Heh, rather flippantly, I'd expect the students who would be impressed by their lecturer smoking pot to be the good ones ;)
Kwi Ni: I was reading to catch up bec. I had to step away for a sec - someone mentioned above that the term "furries" has a sexual connotation - and I just wanted to chip in that I've heard that as well
CDB Barkley: Great discussion today- I have a Rl meeting in 5 minutes, but thanks for making it lively. IN 2 weeks we are visiting Wasp, the home of Australian educators Jo Kay Wollingong and Sean McDunnough....
CDB Barkley: Keep on chattering away!
Desideria Stockton: bye CDB
Clare Lane: ]thanks CDB
Veritas Variscan: Here's what I have found most of the time: I meet avatars, and no matter how they are dressed, what skin they wear, unless they are really role=playing, their sould shines through in our communications
Eloise Pasteur: If you believe everything you read about SL, all of SL is about sex...
Veritas Variscan: ^ soul ^
Clare Lane: well said Veri
KJ Hax: True Veritas!
Scottmerrick Oh: anybody see the wired magazine article this month
Geoffrey Mayo: The term furries is a sexual one, I thought. I've always associated the term as one meaning one who enjoys dressing up, usually in some sort of animal costume, during adult play
Veritas Variscan: and I strongly prefer text, although I use voice
Squizel Shan: I mean that your personality comes out in your chat, and it has nothing to do with how you look--the first impression of the person based on appearence is quickly superceded
Veritas Variscan: Correct, SQUI
Scottmerrick Oh: Wired makes a point of saying most ppl who stay in SL are there for the sex or the free money
Squizel Shan: Why do people have sex in SL? It is stupid, right?
Kisa Naumova: Yes, but people - myself include I have to confess - do make first impressions before you even start typing
Veritas Variscan: the intellect supercedes ALL
Squizel Shan: but they connect to each other in the chat
Geoffrey Mayo: Sex drives technology. The press doesn't care about the reality, they just like the sensational aspect of it to sell their products
Kim Chihuly: tho how you look sometimes can affect how likely people are to talk with you - look like a noobie and people tend to ignore you in a grup
Robins Hermano: Why would sex in SL be stupid?
Geoffrey Mayo: sex drove the DVD industry, and then it drove the web
Clare Lane: doesn' that bother you
Clare Lane: ir does me
ZacharyJ Carter: Squizel, what did you think of Desi when you first saw her avatar and whay do you think now?
Clare Lane: it's like peole sayiung I didn't know you palyed SL
Kwi Ni: I agree with you that the content of your conversation is much more important than appearance ... of course there will be people who will judge you on appearance... so where do you raw the line? How much should you exercise choice and how much should you just try to avert misunderstanding by making your avatar more bland?
Squizel Shan: I mean, physically, it is stupid--but the emotional component exists, and is embodies largely in chat
Squizel Shan: embodied
Scottmerrick Oh: hmmmm, so not everybody's getting lucky every day?
Eloise Pasteur: Can I ask what you reaction would have been if this had been in a M sim and I'd shown up naked to the buzz?
Scottmerrick Oh: *just kidding*
Clare Lane: I'd check you out keep oin talking
Ellie Brewster: When I first began in SL, I chose to have purple hair because I wanted to have a lot of different av's, of different racial types, all with purple hair, so my students would know it was still the teacher, but never be sure of the individual.
Eloise Pasteur: Which might well have happened, but Corwin wouldn't change the sim's rating, lol
Squizel Shan: now there's honesty!
Palani Allen: Talking about developing an acceptance of appearances is important!
Corwin Carillon: lol
Corwin Carillon: you would be Eloise to me .. naked or dressed
Corwin Carillon: :)
Scottmerrick Oh: I agree, Palani, see Peggy Sheehy's work in the Teen Grid
Kwi Ni: So in terms of professional settings, do you put on "business casual" appearance for your avatar or does it matter to you that you're walking around as a metal dragon or other kind of garb not RL appropriate in such a setting?
Desideria Stockton: lol
Palani Allen: Thanks for the reference!
Squizel Shan: yes, that is interesting what peggy did with av look discussions
Clare Lane: depends very much on the ed you're in
Squizel Shan: definitely I do bus casual, or at least blue jeans, even if ripped
Eloise Pasteur: I was dressed in a two-tone latex catsuit for as much of SLBPE as I could attend
Clare Lane: grad students are very diff toth graders
Kisa Naumova: Kwi, I find I tend to 'dumb down' my clothing, but that's because I have connections with it in RL
Squizel Shan: but not something that may put someone else off
Ellie Brewster: I gave up my race idea, because it made me feel very uncomfortable. Sort of "appropriation of voice" on overdrive.
Eloise Pasteur: And a stainless steel chastity belt as well as the collar and cuffs
Ivy Innis: Kwi - depends on whether or not I want to generate a discussion about it and why i would want that discussion...
ZacharyJ Carter: That is interesting, Ellie
Kisa Naumova: Ivy - good point
ZacharyJ Carter: Can you speak more about that?
ZacharyJ Carter: I find it hard to be hispanic here, even though I am proud if it irl
Eloise Pasteur: But... for business meetings I have "smart clothes" that I usually wear, just like IRL I have an "interview suit"
Robins Hermano: Heh, and I wore a suit most of the time at SLBPE, which I hardly ever do in RL
Veritas Variscan: As a middle school teacher, i was advised to give out as little personal information as possible, but I think that that lessens the relationship I have with students. However, it is important to draw a line
Desideria Stockton: lol, really?
Ellie Brewster: I think I went into the idea with a good heart, but it was a bad idea. I can't know the experience of others, I can't claim that to be part of myteaching expertise
Desideria Stockton: lol...really?
Desideria Stockton: I agree, Vertias
Veritas Variscan: It just takes a little time and careful listening to figure out exactly where that line should be
ZacharyJ Carter: what is SLBPE
Clare Lane: Veri I share myself and my life with students for that closeness factor
Clare Lane: it's very important
Veritas Variscan: SL Best Practices in Ed. Conf
Eloise Pasteur: Best Practises in Education conference
Kwi Ni: I'm in a position right now where I show faculty/student/staff of the university capabilities of SL for academics... what do you guys teach in SL?
Scottmerrick Oh: hmmmm can't speak to middle school, Veritas, but seems like the current thinking about openness and transparency might conflict with that withholding practice
Desideria Stockton: ah, ok
Clare Lane: yes but aren't we all still aware of it?
ZacharyJ Carter: For middle school students it seems ok, but even for college students, I tend to share more with the kids in the theater department
Thursday Xu: How would anyone feel if EVERYONE had to use an av of the opposite gender identity of their RL ID?
ZacharyJ Carter: but less with students in the classroom
Scottmerrick Oh: Kathy Dryburgh is going to use her new sim for all her district wide meetings :)
Palani Allen: Giving out your personal information is a way of expressing your trust in your students.
Clare Lane: I am far more open about some things/ideas in SL
Eloise Pasteur: I teach SL skills for the most part, plus I do support work with a couple of students with learning difficulties, and I help Desi with her Literature Classes
Kwi Ni: I know of a faculty member researching gender/appearance choice ... and Ii've heard of some people w/ dept. of architecture using the 3 modeling
ZacharyJ Carter: you more than help, elo
ZacharyJ Carter: lol
Ellie Brewster: Hi Mari! Longtimenosee!
Mari Asturias: :-D
Mari Asturias grins
Eloise Pasteur: I've been known to build her class-spaces too :-)
Desideria Stockton: do you teach theater?
Desideria Stockton: and, LOL Zak
Veritas Variscan: Hello, Mari
Desideria Stockton: she does, doesn't she?
Mari Asturias: hi all... sory to drop in late
Corwin Carillon: Thursday a few of us did that as an experiment a year ago .. gender, race, species
Corwin Carillon: Hi mari!
Robins Hermano: Nasty, nasty thunderstorm outside my office in ORlando, so if power goes out I just wanted to say thanks for a great discussion
Thursday Xu: Yes Corwin? how did it go?
Veritas Variscan: You know, I wore the skin of a black woman, but I found that it brought on so many questions, and in the end, I did not feel 'authentic', just like being a male avi did not resonate for me - I am more comfortable in my butterfly and Neko avies
Desideria Stockton: I have to go to a meeting all
Desideria Stockton: thank you
Eloise Pasteur: I remmeber attending one of Intellagirl's early classes, she gave out freeby clothes and got everyone to change their avatar to the opposite gender
Veritas Variscan: Good luck, Robins!
Desideria Stockton: thank you sooo much, as always, Corwin
Kisa Naumova finds it really odd, and quite hard when I'm a guy in here
Eloise Pasteur: See you Desi
Squizel Shan: good to meet you Desi ;-)
Veritas Variscan: Take care, Desi - nice to see you
Desideria Stockton: and everyone it is great to see you!@!!!!!
Scottmerrick Oh: lol kisa
Ellie Brewster: bye Dez
Clare Lane: bye
Kwi Ni: For those teaching in SL - do you find that you have a lot of technology barriers - for instance students not having a computer to use that has a compatible graphics card, slow internet connection, etc?
Corwin Carillon: we a bye desi .. thanks for being here!
Veritas Variscan: This was very interesting, thought-provoking, great
ZacharyJ Carter: take care Desi - we will catch up later
Desideria Stockton: bye bye :-)
Eloise Pasteur: The women, in general made fairly good men. The men made cartoon women, and ALL wore big guns as a penis substitute, which was very funny
Mari Asturias: I taught yesterday Kwi... and 2 out of 4 had difficulties at least part of the session
Ellie Brewster: I've got to run, too. Bye everyone!
KJ Hax: Thanks all for everything, I'll look for the chat log for the rest ... g2g ... peace
Corwin Carillon: bye ellie
Veritas Variscan: Take care, Ellie!
0] pt Oh: seeya!
Farley Scarborough waves to Ellie
Squizel Shan: that's funny eloise
Philippine Hawks: I've to go too. Bye
Scottmerrick Oh: hey bye, ya'll
Eloise Pasteur: Bye Ellie
Kisa Naumova has big guns. LOL
Scottmerrick Oh: gotta get video up on youtube from my workshop this morning lol
Corwin Carillon: folks .. I am gonna go too .. and crash .. 1am for me ... great discussion .. next time we will find an M sim Eloise :)
Scottmerrick Oh: See ya!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the invite Clare
Eloise Pasteur: lol, night Corwin
Farley Scarborough smiles
Veritas Variscan: I also have to get going. It was great to see everyone. Thanks so much, Corwin
Squizel Shan: Thanks for hosting his Corwin!
Clare Lane: bye Scott
Thursday Xu: bye veritas
Kisa Naumova: Thnaks Corwin :)
Eloise Pasteur: and turning up naked is only relevant if we're discussing appearance!
Kwi Ni: I'm teaching an SL workshop to university faculty/staff in August, and another one in Sept, and it seems like there's always a problem w/ lag
Farley Scarborough: See ya Corwin
Ivy Innis: thanks everyone - to be continued sometime I hope...
Palani Allen: Thanks so much Corwin.
Clare Lane: bye Veri
Clare Lane: thanks Corwin
ZacharyJ Carter: Does anyone have anbythning to add for SLNN?
Veritas Variscan: Oh, I really HOPE SO, this talk could go on forever
ZacharyJ Carter: any burining comments?
Clare Lane: how much time do we have??? LOL
ZacharyJ Carter: lol
Veritas Variscan: Zach - I have a comment
ZacharyJ Carter: i can stick around a bit and listen
ZacharyJ Carter: shoot, Veritas
Palani Allen: Can we try next time using audio?
Clare Lane: Maaybe someon could educate yhe rest about the sexual connotation of furries and the diff between those wearing fur and a furry
Thursday Xu: I think the net result starts to become a blurring of gender, age, etc. - because you have no idea if the AV is at all like the RL AV
Clare Lane: is there nayone who knows much about that?
Scottmerrick Oh: I was going to say I would only stay if Squizel got naked until she admitted to being Joskie ewwwww
ZacharyJ Carter: While you are all here, if you have announcements or things you want me to report on - please im me
Scottmerrick Oh: Bye ya'lll
Scottmerrick Oh: Great discussion
Kwi Ni: what I've heard about the term furries ...
Squizel Shan: hahahah
Squizel Shan: scott, we haven't met your alt yet.....
Eloise Pasteur: CDB is the expert I think
Clare Lane: he's keeoing him incognit
Scottmerrick Oh: hahaha
Squizel Shan: where are you scott?
Clare Lane: whoa Squizel -you're HOT!
Scottmerrick Oh: maybe i'll bring my female alt into a meeting sometime
Scottmerrick Oh: Nashville
Squizel Shan: I meant here
Veritas Variscan: and that is that SL is a vehicle for whatever people want to make it. It all depends upon where we choose to focus. I personally see it as a vehicle for human communication that can eventually lead to the bridging of barriers between peoples all over the world, and that it will cease to be such a 'separat' world over time. The media (not meaning YOU personally) - especially RL media loves to take a short look at Sl and presume that it is all about sex, but they are terribly mistaken.
Clare Lane: lol
Squizel Shan: I was going to punch you!
Scottmerrick Oh: up high
Scottmerrick Oh: hahah *logs off*
ZacharyJ Carter: I agree Vertias
Thursday Xu: YES - Veritas!
Clare Lane: all gone
ZacharyJ Carter: that is why I decided to be a reporter in SL
Veritas Variscan: Even though Sl can also be a great venue for the expression of one's sexuality and love
ZacharyJ Carter: to give voice to the rumors
Palani Allen: Got to go. RL calls. Thanks so much for the chat!
Kwi Ni: I've been told that furries are people who dress in animal suits w/ holes cut out in opportune places in the suit...and get together for anonymous orgies - usually arrange donline
Veritas Variscan: and I am not opposed to that aspect AT ALL
Kisa Naumova: Thanks guys. See yous later :)
Kwi Ni: has anyone else heard of that?
ZacharyJ Carter: do any of you have social lives outside your work?
ZacharyJ Carter: like dancing?
Clare Lane: no but I haven't heard much
Veritas Variscan: but make no mistake, sex is not what drives SL - it is the desire for connection that drives it
ZacharyJ Carter: or gambling?
Clare Lane: I think some people may come into SL an chosse a furry for very different reasons
ZacharyJ Carter: i can take your ideas on anonymity if you feel better about it that way
Clare Lane: like my love of animals
Squizel Shan: yes Kwi, it is true--for each their own?
Veritas Variscan: Enough of my rant
Eloise Pasteur: Yes Kwi, I've heard of that. But you could say that of all kinds of groups - never heard of online dating agencies?
Clare Lane: they don't know the connotations
Squizel Shan: But you are absolutely coreect Veritas
Veritas Variscan: thanks Squi
Kwi Ni: not that I assume that about someone dressed as a furry in SL... but someone asked about the sexual connotation of that term - and that's the one I know of
Squizel Shan: The beauty of SL is its ability as a multi-modal communication tool that streches the world
ZacharyJ Carter: if any of you have anything to add, please let me know - I need to go back to SLNN in a minute or two
Li Xi: There is a difference between choosing an animal avatar and being a furry. There is a whole culture to the furries.
Squizel Shan: stretches...
Clare Lane: tell us more please
Squizel Shan: reaches???
Squizel Shan: yes, do tell!
Li Xi: I'm afraid I don't know enough to speak of it more.
Veritas Variscan: Bye all, have a wonderful day, evening, anything
Squizel Shan: okay
Robins Hermano: bye veritas
8pt Oh: by veritas
Veritas Variscan waves at lovely avies
Eloise Pasteur: Bye V
Squizel Shan: I also need to go to RL now.
Squizel Shan: Thanks for the great discussion
Squizel Shan: Joskie was right about youall, a great bunch!!
8pt Oh: haha
Eloise Pasteur: lol
Farley Scarborough: Yes, a great bunch.
Clare Lane: thyou're much hotter than Joskie!
Eloise Pasteur: We're all maniacs really, just we sometimes pretend to be nice :-)
Squizel Shan: oh, thanks!
8pt Oh: thanks everyone! -- seeya later
Clare Lane: the shirt rocks too!
Squizel Shan: but don't tell Joskie, his feelinigs may get hurt
Kwi Ni: well - it's been fun - later!
Farley Scarborough: Well, it's a great bunch of maniacs
Clare Lane: now I suppose I'm showing my (middle) age! LOL
Robins Hermano: bye everyone
Squizel Shan: yes, I didn't look at it really until a few minutes ago!! lol
Eloise Pasteur:,000 Maniacs, or are there no brits of the right age around?
Boris Grommet: Time for me to run - see you all later!
Lane Erde: bye
Farley Scarborough gets Eloise's reference but refuses to admit it.
Thursday Xu: haha me too
Eloise Pasteur: lol farley
Farley Scarborough: It has been a pleasure, as always. *waves*
Clare Lane: you don't have to be a BRIT to know000 Maniacs
Clare Lane: althought I am wELSH!
Eloise Pasteur: All the best people are Welsh :-)
Clare Lane: we sing beautifully too! LOL
Thursday Xu: I'll take your word for it
Clare Lane: I suppose I shoulkd get some RL work done myself it's been great folks
Clare Lane: bye
Eloise Pasteur: Bye, nos da
Thursday Xu: bye everyone!
