Teachers Buzz Jan 21 2008 Transcript

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[8:51] CDB Barkley: Hello everyone, nice to see the early crowd here

[8:51] Mist Theas: Hello

[8:51] EO Darwin: hello to you too

[8:51] ChrisG Techsan: Hello

[8:52] Clairmae Cale: Helo

[8:52] Regulus Darkstone: Hello!

[8:52] Robin Mochi: hi

[8:52] CDB Barkley: Welecome to the NMC Campus Teachers Buzz, session will start in about 10 mins

[8:52] CDB Barkley: We will be using chat for this session as I can see a handful of people lacking voice chat activation

[8:53] Regulus Darkstone: Yo Ser!

[8:53] Serillion Setsuko: hi

[8:53] CDB Barkley: While we wait, how about letting us know where you are from, and if you have heard of the Salamander project?

[8:53] EO Darwin: Regullus brought me

[8:53] Wainbrave Bernal: Hello!

[8:53] CDB Barkley: Friends are good

[8:53] Serillion Setsuko: is this about salamanders?

[8:54] Regulus Darkstone: :-)

[8:54] Wainbrave Bernal: As many Oregonians as we can get is good ;)

[8:54] Regulus Darkstone: I'll send you an email, Ser... ;-)

[8:55] Wainbrave Bernal: Anyone else care to introduce themselves?

[8:55] Mist Theas: I have not heard of it. But, I am very interested.

[8:55] Robin Mochi: I'm from Portland, Oregon. I'm a librarian from a university investigating SL for educational purposes.

[8:55] Mist Theas: I'm faculty at a Community College in New Jersey.

[8:55] You decline The "Quad" on Teaching 2, Teaching 2 (137, 123, 22) from A group member named CDB Barkley.

[8:55] EO Darwin: Faculty at a CC in Portland, OR

[8:55] Wainbrave Bernal: Hi Robin! I'll be presenting in Portland at a Librarian Tech Conference end of April on the Salamander Project

[8:55] CDB Barkley: I am web geek for the NMC, working today from Strawberry, AZ

[8:55] Farley Scarborough hails from Wright State University, Dayton, Ohio

[8:55] Regulus Darkstone: EO, Serillion and I are from the same CC in Portland, OR

[8:56] Firery Broome: faculty support at University of Delaware

[8:56] Mia Infinity: Im from Lund university sweden

[8:56] CDB Barkley: Hello and welcome

[8:56] Robin Mochi: great to hear, where will you be presenting?

[8:56] CDB Barkley: I hear a phone ;-)

[8:56] Art Fossett: Art Fossett from the Eduserv Foundation in the UK - I used to work on a service called Intute (intute.ac.uk) which catalogues high-quality Internet resources for learning and research

[8:56] ChrisG Techsan: I am in the EdTech for Texas State Technical College.

[8:56] Wainbrave Bernal: afk

[8:56] Clairmae Cale: I am faculty from North Dakota

[8:56] CDB Barkley: Welcome Clairmae

[8:57] CDB Barkley: How many people are at a Teachers Buzz for first time?

[8:57] Mist Theas: Me.

[8:57] Mia Infinity: Me

[8:57] Robin Mochi: me

[8:57] EO Darwin: me too

[8:57] ChrisG Techsan: First for me

[8:57] Max Newbold: me

[8:57] Clairmae Cale: thanks, this is my first actualy conference

[8:57] CDB Barkley: Great!

[8:57] Paribus Habilis: well, it's my first time ON TIME! ^.^

[8:57] Art Fossett: lol

[8:57] CDB Barkley: We meet every 2 weeks often informally for discussions about teaching in SL, sometimes field trips

[8:57] EO Darwin: this seems like a good crowd

[8:58] Regulus Darkstone: agreed!

[8:58] CDB Barkley: Indeed!

[8:58] EO Darwin: pretty good turnout?

[8:58] CDB Barkley: Info on the NMC Campus Teachers Buzz, archives, etc at http://sl.nmc.org/wiki/Teachers_Buzz_Session

[8:59] CDB Barkley: Just so everyone knows, we typically save a log of the chat to post as an archive, so if you prefer not to be included, IM and questions to me or Wainbrave

[8:59] Wainbrave Bernal: Hey everyone!

[8:59] CDB Barkley: Welcome to the NMC Campus Teachers Buzz.

[8:59] CDB Barkley: We'll kick things off in about 3 minutes

[8:59] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - please add me as a friend if you wish and we can chat any ole time

[9:00] ChrisG Techsan: Wainbrave your broadcasting

[9:00] Robins Hermano: Yes

[9:00] Derrik Beck: yes

[9:00] EO Darwin: some hummm

[9:00] Regulus Darkstone nods yes

[9:00] CDB Barkley: At least he's not saying he is bored

[9:00] Derrik Beck: oooh

[9:00] CDB Barkley: It happens

[9:00] Derrik Beck: we'll never tell

[9:00] CDB Barkley: We will be using text chat for this session

[9:00] Wainbrave Bernal: ok - i think i'm muted now

[9:00] CDB Barkley: Since not everyone has voice activated

[9:01] CDB Barkley: So, my clock has 9:01 AM PST

[9:01] CDB Barkley: I am CDB or Alan Levine with the NMC, and welcome you to our Teachers Buzz Session

[9:01] Wainbrave Bernal: yaaaah!

[9:01] Fleep Tuque cheers!

[9:02] CDB Barkley: We have Wainbrave Bernal to share with us about the SaLamander project... which as nothing to do with little critters

[9:02] CDB Barkley: but more so with organizing the best SL resources for education

[9:02] CDB Barkley: So I turn it over to you, Wainbrave...

[9:02] Wainbrave Bernal: Thanks, CDB!

[9:02] Wainbrave Bernal: Hello everyone and welcome!

[9:03] Wainbrave Bernal: I'm here to discuss a project for the whole SLED Community

[9:03] Wainbrave Bernal: it's open for anyone to join

[9:04] Wainbrave Bernal: starting out in Second Life and porting to several useful websites

[9:04] Wainbrave Bernal: The SaLamander Project is an amphibious project

[9:05] Wainbrave Bernal: as a way for us all to index and develop the language around teaching and learning practices in 3D Virtual Spaces

[9:05] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide, please

[9:05] CDB Barkley: got it

[9:06] Wainbrave Bernal: can everyone see the next slide?

[9:06] Mist Theas: blurry

[9:06] Robins Hermano: yep

[9:06] ChrisG Techsan: yes

[9:06] Nolligan Nino: still rezzing for me

[9:06] Farley Scarborough nods

[9:06] Wainbrave Bernal: pass your mouse over it (without touching it) to rez faster

[9:06] Mist Theas: can see now

[9:06] Wainbrave Bernal: k

[9:06] CDB Barkley: You may need to alt zoom

[9:06] CDB Barkley: the mous wave works good

[9:06] Wainbrave Bernal: so great places are not always easy to find in SL

[9:07] Wainbrave Bernal: and the language or "how to describe what we're doing" is not always common

[9:07] Mist Theas: lol

[9:07] Wainbrave Bernal: So SaLamander is an attempt for the SLED community to work together to solve these issues

[9:08] CDB Barkley: (SLED= SL EDucators)

[9:08] Wainbrave Bernal: we can collect all of the best Education materials, describe them in ways understandable to more people, put them in relevant categories, and vote on them in a peer-review process

[9:09] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide, s'il vous plait

[9:09] SaLamander Tshirt Dispensor owned by Wainbrave Bernal gave you 'SaLamander T-shirt' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Teaching%202/132/132/22 ).

[9:09] CDB Barkley: Someone is munching with an open micorphone

[9:10] Mercury Barnes: Mustang. :)

[9:10] Wainbrave Bernal: as a community of professionals, it's important for us to have a resource that allows us to communicate and share and work with the increasing sophistication of SL

[9:10] MustangQuimby Messmer: :)

[9:10] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide

[9:11] Wainbrave Bernal: the SLED listserve is useful for conversation, but cumbersome as a systematic forum to compare and contrast and develop a set of "best practices"

[9:11] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide please

[9:11] CDB Barkley: lots of signal and noise

[9:12] Misha Writer: are we using sound?

[9:12] Art Fossett: no

[9:12] CDB Barkley: no chat only

[9:12] Wainbrave Bernal: The educators using SL are also facing the issue of trying to communicate to the larger academic community just WHAT is going on in here! ;)

[9:12] CDB Barkley: not everyone here has voice chat activated

[9:13] Misha Writer: good cos I couldn't hear anything . . .

[9:13] Wainbrave Bernal: so we have two resources - a community-developed wiki with increasing numbers of great sites in SL

[9:14] CDB Barkley: http://www.eduisland.net/salamanderwiki

[9:14] Wainbrave Bernal: and the "cream of the crop" being showcased at MERLOT.org - a repository of learning objects well-known around the world

[9:14] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide

[9:15] Wainbrave Bernal: so it works by connecting SL to these three web tools in a process

[9:15] Wainbrave Bernal: By taking a copy of the HUD (over here to my left)

[9:16] Wainbrave Bernal: you can describe places of educational value in SL

[9:16] Wainbrave Bernal: that creates a page of SLED-worthy sites at Sloog.org

[9:16] CDB Barkley: http://www.sloog.org/tags/salamander

[9:17] Wainbrave Bernal: the collection of SLED sites at Sloog is then "scraped" and put into the SaLamander community wiki

[9:18] Wainbrave Bernal: as the SLED community - all of YOU - better describe and discuss the relative value of the stubs placed there by the Salamander HUD

[9:18] Wainbrave Bernal: you vote on them

[9:18] Wainbrave Bernal: and thus, "peer review" the various things of educational value in Second Life

[9:19] Wainbrave Bernal: the best ones will be reviewed by a panel and placed in the MERLOT database

[9:19] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide, please

[9:19] Wainbrave Bernal: so here's a picture of the process

[9:19] Wainbrave Bernal: starting from the top

[9:20] Wainbrave Bernal: a) in SL, strap on the HUD and give SLED builds your tags and descriptors

[9:20] CDB Barkley: Some people here might be new to HUDs.... can you help?

[9:20] Wainbrave Bernal: sure

[9:20] Wainbrave Bernal: click on the dispenser here to my left

[9:20] Wainbrave Bernal: when you get one...

[9:21] Wainbrave Bernal: open your inventory

[9:21] Wainbrave Bernal: then find the "salamander HUD"

[9:21] CDB Barkley: (blue button bottom right)

[9:21] Wainbrave Bernal: and right click and select "wear"

[9:21] CDB Barkley sees people rummaging in their inventory

[9:21] Wainbrave Bernal: I put it on the upper left

[9:22] Wainbrave Bernal: If successful, you should see a little orange window appear (where you placed it)

[9:22] Wainbrave Bernal: with a pushpin, a magnifying glass, and a question mark

[9:23] Wainbrave Bernal: are we having luck with that?

[9:23] ChrisG Techsan: yes

[9:23] gypsieanne Rasmuson: I got it

[9:23] Salamander HUD whispers: Your query returned the following results:

0 results found

[9:23] Misha Writer: got it - but how do you move it?

[9:23] Salamander HUD whispers: Your query returned the following results:

0 results found

[9:23] Mia Infinity: yes, its working fine

[9:23] Robin Mochi: yes

[9:23] TrailBlaz Pascale: works

[9:23] Wainbrave Bernal: sweeet

[9:23] Corwin Carillon: yes thanks Wainbrave

[9:23] MustangQuimby Messmer: Yes

[9:23] Farley Scarborough swats the lizzard

[9:24] CDB Barkley: hi Buffy

[9:24] gypsieanne Rasmuson: hyperborea

[9:24] Wainbrave Bernal: ok --- now let's say that you are crawling through Second Life

[9:24] Wainbrave Bernal: (like a salamander)

[9:24] Fleep Tuque grins.

[9:24] CDB Barkley: Someone has an open mic, tryinh to find you

[9:24] CDB Barkley: Please mute

[9:24] Wainbrave Bernal: and you find something that you think that the SLED community ought to have access to

[9:24] Ida Recreant: I got it

[9:24] Wainbrave Bernal: so, with the HUD in place, click the pushpin

[9:25] gypsieanne Rasmuson: hyperborea

[9:25] Salamander HUD whispers: Your query returned the following results:

1) Social Simulation Research Lab ::: secondlife://Hyperborea/218/93/23

2) Sloodleville ::: secondlife://Hyperborea/32/164/22

3) Hyperborea Paths ::: secondlife://Hyperborea/67/100/23

[9:25] Wainbrave Bernal: that will start the HUD asking you a series of questions designed to help describe the Learning Material to your fellow SLEDucators

[9:26] Wainbrave Bernal: some questions will be in a drop-down blue screen and others will have you type in the chat bar

[9:26] Fleep Tuque: biology

[9:26] Salamander HUD whispers: Your query returned the following results:

1) SL Ecosystem ::: secondlife://Terminus/147/105/26

2) Unnamed Parcel ::: secondlife://Almaden/92/14/26

3) The Gene Pool ::: secondlife://Immaculate/211/209/21

4) Prokaryote Garden ::: secondlife://Genome/129/214/60

5) Second Nature ::: secondlife://Second Nature/135/96/23

6) Living in the Universe ::: secondlife://LivingintheUniverse/30/190/251

7) Infotainment ::: secondlife://Infotainment Island/125/128/32

[9:26] Wainbrave Bernal: when it's done... if successful... it will send to the Sloog server and say, "ok"

[9:26] Fleep Tuque: Very nice!

[9:26] Fleep Tuque apologizes for chat spamming.

[9:26] CDB Barkley: NP

[9:26] gypsieanne Rasmuson: Nice work, very helpful

[9:26] CDB Barkley: we are guessing your keywords

[9:26] Wainbrave Bernal: you can then check out the tags you made on http://www.sloog.org/salamander

[9:26] Ida Recreant: /business law

[9:27] Wainbrave Bernal: or by your avatar name

[9:27] CDB Barkley: Just the ability to use tagging tool in Sl is cool http://www.sloog.org

[9:27] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - the regular ole sloog tool is amazing!

[9:27] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide please?

[9:28] Wainbrave Bernal: so we want people to work at these varying levels

[9:29] Wainbrave Bernal: you can just use the HUD and help out the SLED community and get your own page of SLED favorites

[9:29] Wainbrave Bernal: and use the search function on the HUD inworld for SLED things

[9:29] Ida Recreant: /english

[9:30] Ida Recreant: /done

[9:30] Wainbrave Bernal: You can log in to the SaLamander wiki and help further describe and develop the entries made

[9:30] Wainbrave Bernal: and vote on the relative value of SLED materials

[9:30] CDB Barkley: That is a very imprtant part

[9:30] MustangQuimby Messmer: That would be helpful

[9:30] Fleep Tuque: This is excellent for giving tours and demos I bet. The audience can make a request on a topic, boom here are our options.

[9:30] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - this is vital that folks get involved in that

[9:31] Corwin Carillon: how often is the SLOOG scrape?

[9:31] Wainbrave Bernal: and, if you're REALLY interested in being involved in getting SLED materials that are top-rated to the larger community, please inquire about getting involved with the MERLOT vetting process

[9:32] Wainbrave Bernal: we need a strong group of academics to get training on the peer-review process and selection for the MERLOT database.

[9:32] Wainbrave Bernal: (great for tenure and promotion at higher ed institutions!)

[9:32] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide?

[9:33] MustangQuimby Messmer: Merlot.org--go to the Grapevine --Two trainings in Feb but you need to sign up

[9:33] CDB Barkley: So MERLOT will use SLURL links?

[9:33] Wainbrave Bernal: our "next moves" are to create Builder Feedback Surveys for placing on location

[9:33] Wainbrave Bernal: improving the sloog.org scraping transfer rate

[9:34] Wainbrave Bernal: (it's all done by hand periodically right now)

[9:34] CDB Barkley: hand scraping!

[9:34] Wainbrave Bernal: we have some money to pay content experts :)

[9:34] Corwin Carillon: yikes!! some commitment

[9:35] CDB Barkley: L$ or $$?

[9:35] Wainbrave Bernal: and using the Salamander process to develop a showcase of the best SLED materials for SLCC 08 in Tampa

[9:35] Wainbrave Bernal: American $$

[9:35] CDB Barkley: Weeee! ^.^

[9:35] Ann Enigma: ...which aren't worth much more than L$ these days! :-)

[9:35] Wainbrave Bernal: ha ha

[9:35] Wainbrave Bernal: yes, that's increasingly true

[9:36] Wainbrave Bernal: next slide

[9:36] CDB Barkley: What's the progrss so far

[9:36] Wainbrave Bernal: that's it!

[9:36] CDB Barkley: last slide

[9:36] Wainbrave Bernal: :)

[9:36] CDB Barkley: How is the progress on the wiki?

[9:37] Wainbrave Bernal: Yes - we have a good start... about 60 entries so far

[9:37] CDB Barkley: Slides and notes will be posted on http://sl.nmc.org

[9:37] Wainbrave Bernal: with a need for folks to flesh things out

[9:37] MustangQuimby Messmer: I'm at a presentation at NMC on the Salamander project

[9:38] Wainbrave Bernal: some of them are pretty well developed though

[9:38] Fleep Tuque: WB, looking at the wiki, how do the entries get "stars"?

[9:38] Wainbrave Bernal: There are also places on the wiki for folks to check out lit reviews, etc.

[9:38] Wainbrave Bernal: There is a small piece of code that MediaWiki needs to implement the Star Rating system

[9:39] Wainbrave Bernal: you can grab that either on the Salamander Template (main page) or find a entry with a Rating System and copy it

[9:39] Wainbrave Bernal: but folks need to REGISTER to be a member of the SaLamander Wiki to edit, of course

[9:40] Wainbrave Bernal: other questions?

[9:40] Corwin Carillon: Wainbrave, can the search results be put on a non-public channel?

[9:40] Art Fossett: Wainbrave, can you explain why scraping into the wiki then manually cataloguing is better than simply agreeing some conventions around additional tags in SLOOG? Is it so that you get ratings?

[9:40] Wainbrave Bernal: yes... I think if you use /7 it will go private

[9:41] Corwin Carillon: thx

[9:41] Wainbrave Bernal: well sloog just gives one the tags and slurls

[9:41] CDB Barkley: No meta info on SLOOG

[9:41] Art Fossett: but much of the additional metadata looks like it could be encoded as tags??

[9:42] Wainbrave Bernal: that's good - but not, perhaps the most efficient way for educators to determine the relative value of something

[9:42] Wainbrave Bernal: it's an attempt to marry the "folksonomy" with a more traditional "taxonomy"

[9:42] Art Fossett: Demonstration, Simulation, Middleschool, etc...

[9:43] Wainbrave Bernal: If you read "everything is miscellaneous", you can see why it could be a good idea to combine the notions

[9:43] Fleep Tuque: WB is this specifically for "learning objects" or also for educational spaces? So for example, should you tag a campus or only specific items on the campus?

[9:44] Willow Shenlin: and resources such as journals interested in VR for educational purposes, bib for theory and data-based research

[9:44] Art Fossett: ok :-)

[9:44] Wainbrave Bernal: The HUD and the wiki are sensitive to the individual parcel

[9:44] Wainbrave Bernal: if your whole island is one parcel - then that will be the entry in the wiki

[9:44] Fleep Tuque: Ah, I see. Thx!

[9:45] Wainbrave Bernal: if you have a whole bunch of parcels - say, for example, Chilbo - then each one will get a unique entry

[9:45] Firery Broome: will it work in areas that scripts are not allowed?

[9:45] Wainbrave Bernal: I hope each of you will tag about 300 things and you'll get your friends to do the same!

[9:46] Fleep Tuque: What if something we create gets tagged and then the build is moved, do we re-tag or just edit the original entry on the wiki?

[9:46] Wainbrave Bernal: not sure about that... probably not, huh?

[9:47] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - as SL changes, our wiki community will hopefully be vigilant enough to keep it fresh (like wikipedia)

[9:47] Wainbrave Bernal: it's totally dependent upon building a critical mass of participating educators!

[9:47] Wainbrave Bernal: rather experimental, yes? :)

[9:48] Wainbrave Bernal: any other questions?

[9:48] Willow Shenlin: It would be nice that each time someone opens a sim, it gets tagged

[9:48] Willow Shenlin: so that teh community can go, evaluate it

[9:48] Willow Shenlin: comment and rate

[9:48] Buffy Beale: Would it be open to nonprofit sites to add?

[9:48] Willow Shenlin: the Aho Museum for example was a beautiful affair yesterday

[9:48] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - it would really benefit the SLED community if we could get a LOT of folks tagging everything of value educationally

[9:49] Mist Theas: You mentioned something about merlot and grapevine. Some type of training...can you share more in an email later, perhaps?

[9:49] Buffy Beale: Great, thanks

[9:49] Wainbrave Bernal: yes, Buffy - non-profits can certainly use SaLamander and I would definitely encourage them to use it

[9:49] Willow Shenlin: When a sim gets tagged several times, doe ssloog know the difference?

[9:49] Wainbrave Bernal: we can start new sections, as appropriate

[9:50] Buffy Beale: perfect thx

[9:50] Willow Shenlin: let's say several av find an interesting sim and do not know it's been tagged

[9:50] Wainbrave Bernal: we're creating an index of parcels tagged in the wiki that the HUD can "talk" to and check against - so folks will know if a place has already been added.

[9:50] Willow Shenlin: excellent. thanks

[9:51] Wainbrave Bernal: it will then let folks know that it's already in the wiki database and provide a link for them to check it out and add their description and vote, if they want

[9:51] Wainbrave Bernal: that will be so cool

[9:52] Wainbrave Bernal: any other questions?

[9:52] Buffy Beale: Not a question, but would you be interested in comming to our nonprofit weekly meeting to talk about the project?

[9:52] Paribus Habilis: I would hope that it also "counts" the number of educators who are submitting tags to a specific site... to give some inherent indication of its popularity or worth?

[9:52] Fleep Tuque: This is pretty cool WB. :) Will be showing in our faculty meeting next week :)

[9:53] MustangQuimby Messmer: Thank you -- great work

[9:53] Derrik Beck: thanks WB. great project.

[9:53] Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!

[9:53] Wainbrave Bernal: Yes, Buffy - I would be happy to speak with you and your gang :)

[9:53] Ann Enigma claps

[9:53] Corwin Carillon: Brill Wainbrave tyvm!!

[9:53] gypsieanne Rasmuson: Thank you, I will share with faculty via workshop and emails

[9:53] CDB Barkley: Thanks Wainbrave

[9:53] Firery Broome: Thanks!

[9:53] CDB Barkley: Hope we have a new crowd of taggers

[9:53] Wainbrave Bernal: Right, Paribus - the sloog site counts the number of times it's been tagged

[9:53] Ida Recreant: I'm starting a SL group on our campus and this will be very helpful

[9:54] Buffy Beale: great, thanks! I'll talk offline

[9:54] Wainbrave Bernal: Thanks everyone!

[9:54] CDB Barkley: Thanks again everyone for showing up, next Teachers buzz is in 2 weeks

[9:54] Max Newbold: Thanks!

[9:54] Fleep Tuque: Thanks CDB!!

[9:54] Fleep Tuque: Thanks WB!

[9:54] Mist Theas: Thank you.

[9:54] Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!

[9:54] Wainbrave Bernal: yes, Thanks CDB!

[9:54] Mia Infinity: Thanks!!!!

[9:54] Ida Recreant: Thankyou everyone

[9:54] CDB Barkley: We are hoping to have a show and tell of edu gadgets

[9:55] Mercury Barnes: Thank you.

[9:55] Buffy Beale: thanks! Great project and muchly needed

[9:55] CDB Barkley: Have a great no lag day

[9:55] Mash Beerbaum: Thanks for showing a very useful tool

[9:55] Joie Despres: thx CDB and WB...time to go be a Salamander :)