Teachers Buzz Apr 30 Transcript
From NMC-Campus
[18:02] Corwin Carillon: OK so welcome to you all to the Teachers Buzz
[18:03] Corwin Carillon: and our thanks to KJ, Victoria and Clare :)
[18:03] Arabel Graves: Excuse me
[18:03] KJ Hax: Ok everyone!
[18:03] Corwin Carillon: these sessions are recorded
[18:03] Corwin Carillon: and the transcript will be put on the wiki
[18:04] KJ Hax: Ready Corwin?
[18:04] Corwin Carillon: so can I ask you to please click the recorder on the floor ...
[18:04] KJ Hax: To give permission...
[18:04] KJ Hax: for the recording.
[18:04] Corwin Carillon: to give your agreement to being recorded
[18:04] Corwin Carillon: kathy ...
[18:05] Corwin Carillon: could you move off the recorder? thx *smiles*
[18:05] KJ Hax: LOL
[18:05] KJ Hax: niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
[18:05] Corwin Carillon: so without further ado ...
[18:05] Corwin Carillon: let me hand over to our presenters ...
[18:05] Corwin Carillon: take it away KJ
[18:05] KJ Hax: Thanks Corwin!
[18:05] KJ Hax: Welcome everyone....
[18:05] KJ Hax: I have a few comments to share tonight
[18:05] KJ Hax: but we plan to
[18:06] KJ Hax: keep our remarks to
[18:06] KJ Hax: about 1/2 the time
[18:06] KJ Hax: so we can get to Q&A.
[18:06] KJ Hax: I'd first like to thank
[18:06] KJ Hax: The NMC for having us in here tonight
[18:06] KJ Hax: It';s a fgreat honor and
[18:06] KJ Hax: there are many friends here with us.
[18:06] KJ Hax: With me specifically are
[18:06] KJ Hax: the two p[eople most iomportant
[18:06] KJ Hax: to my SL experience.
[18:06] KJ Hax: Clare Lane and
[18:07] Victoria Gloucester: awww
[18:07] KJ Hax: Victoria Gloucester.
[18:07] Victoria Gloucester: :-)
[18:07] KJ Hax: Without them,
[18:07] KJ Hax: I would be lost.
[18:07] KJ Hax: I mean that.
[18:07] Clare Lane: :0)
[18:07] Dewey Jung: YAY Clare and Vic!
[18:07] KJ Hax: SAnyway...
[18:07] Dewey Jung: yay KJ
[18:07] Maggie Marat: Whoot~
[18:07] KJ Hax: There are many others I would like to thank
[18:07] CDB Barkley claps like a big
[18:07] KJ Hax: some of hwom are here now
[18:07] CDB Barkley:
[18:07] KJ Hax: other who are not.
[18:07] KJ Hax: Maggie Maraty,
[18:07] KJ Hax: Existential Paine.,
[18:07] KJ Hax: Kathy Dryburhg,
[18:07] KJ Hax: ahhhhhgggg
[18:07] Maggie Marat: YW~
[18:08] KJ Hax: Decka Mah.
[18:08] Dewey Jung: kj wishes to thank his spell-checker
[18:08] KJ Hax: Kittygloom Cassady and more. :)
[18:08] Lyr Lobo chuckles
[18:08] KJ Hax: Enough, I get it! :)
[18:08] KJ Hax: Ok....
[18:08] Clare Lane: ppy ft
[18:08] KJ Hax: Let me first
[18:08] KJ Hax: introduce Clare
[18:08] CDB Barkley: yeah ppy ft!
[18:08] KJ Hax: so she can say a bit about her self.
[18:08] KJ Hax: Clare was
[18:08] KJ Hax: a student of mine at Walden
[18:08] KJ Hax: Unverstsity, where she
[18:08] KJ Hax: got hher MSEd and I was
[18:09] KJ Hax: her last instructor.
[18:09] KJ Hax: She came in here wiht me
[18:09] KJ Hax: when I got my grant from Walden
[18:09] KJ Hax: and has been by my side since.
[18:09] KJ Hax: Clare, say hello...
[18:09] Clare Lane: HI everyone
[18:09] Clare Lane: It's great to be here
[18:09] KJ Hax: Victoria is
[18:09] KJ Hax: probably the third person I met
[18:09] KJ Hax: in SL, thanks to Kitty,
[18:10] KJ Hax: and who has probably made the most
[18:10] KJ Hax: impact on my research
[18:10] KJ Hax: She is pursuing her EdD
[18:10] KJ Hax: and MUVEs are her life.
[18:10] KJ Hax: She has an amazing network
[18:10] Victoria Gloucester: becoming my life
[18:10] Dewey Jung: vic has no life
[18:10] KJ Hax: that has made a huge difference
[18:10] KJ Hax: :)
[18:10] Victoria Gloucester: lol dewey
[18:10] KJ Hax: for my research, and
[18:11] KJ Hax: introuced me to visionaries like Maggie Marat at Ramapo.
[18:11] KJ Hax: Vic, say hello....
[18:11] Victoria Gloucester: Hello
[18:11] Maggie Marat: everyone who has no life say AYE
[18:11] Victoria Gloucester: everyone
[18:11] Dewey Jung: aye
[18:11] KJ Hax: AYE
[18:11] Clare Lane: AYE!
[18:11] Beth Kohnke: aye
[18:11] Gus Plisskin: aye!!! :D
[18:11] Existential Paine: aye!
[18:11] Xirconnia Morphett: aye aye!
[18:11] Maggie Marat: hehehe
[18:11] Victoria Gloucester: aye
[18:11] Bronze Dagger: ayeeee
[18:11] Clare Lane: WE all have 2 don't we
[18:11] Victoria Gloucester: i only have a second life
[18:11] Professor Beliveau: 1 have 3
[18:11] Dewey Jung: forget the first life
[18:11] Victoria Gloucester: it seems
[18:11] Gus Plisskin: ayeeeee [falls out of his chair]
[18:11] Bronze Dagger: sold min eon ebay
[18:11] CDB Barkley: 1.5
[18:12] KJ Hax: ok!
[18:12] KJ Hax: So what we want to do tonight
[18:12] KJ Hax: is tell you about what
[18:12] Professor Beliveau: RL, SL, and PowerPoint presentations about SL... 3rd life
[18:12] KJ Hax: we've been up to in SL
[18:12] KJ Hax: for the last 2 months.
[18:12] KJ Hax: Thanks Prof B!
[18:12] KJ Hax: :)
[18:12] Dewey Jung: tell it all, kj!
[18:12] Clare Lane: It's only 2 months?
[18:12] KJ Hax: We;kk aslo be talking about
[18:12] KJ Hax: some very cool stuff going down
[18:12] Victoria Gloucester: what is that in sl years?
[18:12] KJ Hax: over on EduIsland II.
[18:13] KJ Hax: Background....
[18:13] KJ Hax: I teach online, part time
[18:13] KJ Hax: at Walden University
[18:13] KJ Hax: in the Grad School of Ed
[18:13] KJ Hax: Master's Program.
[18:13] KJ Hax: That's my 2nd job.
[18:13] Clare Lane: Excellent too BTW
[18:13] KJ Hax: My day job
[18:13] KJ Hax: is K-4 Technology Faciltiator
[18:13] KJ Hax: at an elementary school
[18:13] KJ Hax: in Southern NJ.
[18:14] KJ Hax: I am new to teaching,
[18:14] KJ Hax: only been at this 4 years,
[18:14] Dewey Jung: YAY new jersey!
[18:14] Maggie Marat: WHoot Jersey!
[18:14] KJ Hax: but walked away from a 20 year careert
[18:14] KJ Hax: in the BUiness world
[18:14] KJ Hax: to pursue my dream of
[18:14] KJ Hax: teahcing.
[18:14] KJ Hax: Today, I have my dream job.
[18:14] KJ Hax: Anyway,
[18:14] KJ Hax: I applied for a Walden Grant
[18:14] KJ Hax: to essentially give me release pay
[18:14] KJ Hax: so I could do something
[18:14] KJ Hax: you all would love to do.
[18:15] KJ Hax: GET PAID TO SURF SL!
[18:15] KJ Hax: Oddly, they said yes,
[18:15] KJ Hax: and our adventure began.
[18:15] KJ Hax: Calling what I am doing "research"
[18:15] KJ Hax: is really stretching it...
[18:15] KJ Hax: There's no IRB,
[18:15] KJ Hax: it;s more of a 'random walk'
[18:15] Existential Paine: amen
[18:15] KJ Hax: through this world.
[18:15] KJ Hax: I have, we have, however
[18:16] KJ Hax: seen and encountered SO MUCH
[18:16] KJ Hax: COOL STUFF, amazing people,
[18:16] KJ Hax: and state of the art bits
[18:16] KJ Hax: that we are all bursting at the seams.
[18:16] KJ Hax: There are three things
[18:16] KJ Hax: I personally
[18:16] Clare Lane: brain's full!
[18:16] KJ Hax: have taken out of SL so far.
[18:16] KJ Hax: And they are:
[18:16] KJ Hax: 1) SL is LOADED with an AMAZING amount of
[18:17] KJ Hax: caring, generous,
[18:17] KJ Hax: visionary educators...
[18:17] KJ Hax: YOU....
[18:17] KJ Hax: that are here for the same reasons,
[18:17] KJ Hax: to watch whgat some people feel
[18:17] KJ Hax: is the birth of the future of the web.
[18:17] KJ Hax: I have been humbled by
[18:17] KJ Hax: the accessibility,
[18:17] KJ Hax: generousity,
[18:17] KJ Hax: intelligence,
[18:17] KJ Hax: and passion of these people standing with me,
[18:17] KJ Hax: as well as you.
[18:18] KJ Hax: I enthusiastically tell epople about SL
[18:18] KJ Hax: until they cock their head siudeways
[18:18] KJ Hax: and say,
[18:18] KJ Hax: dude, you need help....
[18:18] Maggie Marat: LMAO
[18:18] KJ Hax: But it's so increidble
[18:18] KJ Hax: to be with folks like this.
[18:18] KJ Hax: Vic, Clare,
[18:18] KJ Hax: care to expound?
[18:19] Clare Lane: We have all felt the toll SL take son our "other" lives
[18:19] Clare Lane: but I feel it is far to important to let go
[18:19] Clare Lane: It is a matter of balance
[18:19] Clare Lane: and for people like me, who tend to jump
[18:19] IM: CDB Barkley: rah rah
[18:19] Clare Lane: in with both feet
[18:19] Clare Lane: with an addictive nature,
[18:19] Clare Lane: that can be a problem
[18:20] Clare Lane: I almost had a total melt down during myy spring break
[18:20] Clare Lane: because I was away
[18:20] Clare Lane: and I had no idea why!
[18:20] Clare Lane: so BALANCE is key!
[18:20] Victoria Gloucester: I joined SL in October of 2006
[18:20] Maggie Marat: a good message for parents of K!@
[18:20] Maggie Marat: k-12
[18:21] Victoria Gloucester: because of a presentation that I say by "Blogsar Lumpin"
[18:21] CDB Barkley: Can you talk som more detail about the nature, findings of your research? or methods?
[18:21] Victoria Gloucester: it took a few months for me to find
[18:21] Victoria Gloucester: a real reason or a home to be in here
[18:21] Victoria Gloucester: It was ISTE
[18:21] Victoria Gloucester: that brought me to a home and a cause
[18:21] KJ Hax: Exactly.
[18:21] Victoria Gloucester: and I have watched the relationships build from there
[18:21] KJ Hax: Same here.
[18:21] KJ Hax: CDB,
[18:21] Victoria Gloucester: there is research about the ntamacy of the written word
[18:22] Victoria Gloucester: and how relationships form faster
[18:22] Victoria Gloucester: and deeper
[18:22] KJ Hax: Go vic!
[18:22] Victoria Gloucester: in this way
[18:22] Clare Lane: Yse!
[18:22] Victoria Gloucester: and that has been my experience
[18:22] Clare Lane: but we have also noticed that ther can be miscommunications as well
[18:22] Paislee Lane: Thanks
[18:22] KJ Hax: Amen
[18:22] Victoria Gloucester: both through business based and other interactions
[18:22] KJ Hax: CDB,
[18:22] IM: Max Case: hi. join babbler group. will announce when distros are ready
[18:22] KJ Hax: you asked a great question.
[18:22] KJ Hax: Mehtods, findings, etc.
[18:23] KJ Hax: I wish I could
[18:23] KJ Hax: answer it in a way
[18:23] KJ Hax: worthy of this audience.
[18:23] Maggie Marat: subtlties ar sometimes lost in translatin - facial expressions body language
[18:23] KJ Hax: I really cannot...
[18:23] KJ Hax: I can tell you that
[18:23] KJ Hax: I have spent the last two months
[18:23] Clare Lane: we are still struggling with methodology to some extent
[18:23] Victoria Gloucester: It is a qualitative examination of the platform
[18:23] KJ Hax: immersed in relationships and exploration...
[18:23] KJ Hax: yes
[18:23] Clare Lane: indeed
[18:23] KJ Hax: and that the next phase of my reseqach
[18:23] KJ Hax: will take us to as many of the exisitng
[18:23] KJ Hax: classrooms, both
[18:23] KJ Hax: formal and informal
[18:24] KJ Hax: that we can access,
[18:24] KJ Hax: to witness and investigate
[18:24] KJ Hax: how people are dealing with
[18:24] KJ Hax: some of the issues we've encountered.
[18:24] KJ Hax: For exampe....
[18:24] CDB Barkley: So its field observation methods..
[18:24] KJ Hax: yes
[18:24] KJ Hax: I have become very attached
[18:24] KJ Hax: to both Vic and Clare
[18:24] KJ Hax: and find that
[18:24] KJ Hax: I "miss" them
[18:24] KJ Hax: when we are not online.
[18:25] KJ Hax: I am wondering how
[18:25] KJ Hax: this will affect my students
[18:25] KJ Hax: if at all.
[18:25] KJ Hax: Will they too
[18:25] CDB Barkley: Maybe some tips than for teachers who may want to have their students do some field work in SL?
[18:25] Clare Lane: same for me
[18:25] KJ Hax: developrelationshops
[18:25] KJ Hax: that go beyond
[18:25] Clare Lane: I am personally interested in the implications for middle school students as I teach 6th grade
[18:25] Professor Beliveau: take my class
[18:25] KJ Hax: what they would otherwuse?
[18:25] Victoria Gloucester: What level of students are you thinking of?
[18:25] KJ Hax: Yes please Prof B!
[18:26] KJ Hax: Did you want to say something Prof B?
[18:26] Professor Beliveau: no.... but I teach field methods in SL
[18:26] KJ Hax: Got that!
[18:26] Professor Beliveau: best way to learn them is to take the class
[18:26] KJ Hax: Ok.
[18:26] Clare Lane: specifically for SL?
[18:26] Lyr Lobo grins
[18:26] Professor Beliveau: yes
[18:26] KJ Hax: So for the middle school students I saw at Maggie's place
[18:26] KJ Hax: over spring break for me,
[18:26] Professor Beliveau: and for RL as well
[18:26] KJ Hax: I wondered...
[18:26] KJ Hax: Will SL change how they
[18:26] KJ Hax: relate to each other in RL?
[18:26] KJ Hax: Why?
[18:27] KJ Hax: How?
[18:27] KJ Hax: Will it be permanent?
[18:27] KJ Hax: I think that teachers need
[18:27] KJ Hax: to understand that
[18:27] KJ Hax: this environment is so immersive
[18:27] KJ Hax: and so .... addicting that
[18:27] KJ Hax: kids are going to develop in ways
[18:27] KJ Hax: they don't expect or
[18:27] KJ Hax: understand.
[18:27] KJ Hax: And that's a good thing!
[18:27] KJ Hax: We are all on an adventure...
[18:28] KJ Hax: And the goal is learning....
[18:28] Professor Beliveau: how is it more addictive than , say, television or cell phone culture?
[18:28] KJ Hax: Oh, how much time do you have???
[18:28] KJ Hax: :)
[18:28] KJ Hax: Seriuyosly....
[18:28] KJ Hax: Being able to converse with an actual PERSON
[18:28] Professor Beliveau: well
[18:28] Victoria Gloucester: there is a connection to the visual
[18:28] KJ Hax: yes
[18:28] Professor Beliveau: the college students I know still watch 4 to 5 hours of tv a day
[18:28] CDB Barkley: I feel actual
[18:28] Professor Beliveau: can't get them in SL for all the tea in china
[18:28] Thompson Coronet: For one, this is more active. We can interact more than with TV.
[18:28] Clare Lane: TV is not interactive, with real people on the other end
[18:28] Gus Plisskin: it's definitive more addictive. it's more participatory
[18:28] Clare Lane: that is the difference
[18:28] Victoria Gloucester: changes the dynamic of the interaction
[18:28] Ilene Pratt: But if you are talking about kids who already know each other, won't their RL relationships effect their SL relationships rather than the other way around?
[18:29] Clare Lane: maybe some people don't see SL thatway, but all
[18:29] Clare Lane: of the educators we've met dop
[18:29] Victoria Gloucester: Let me give you an example
[18:29] Clare Lane: do
[18:29] KJ Hax: go vic
[18:29] Hygeia DeCuir: the level of control impacts level of appeal
[18:29] Victoria Gloucester: of something that I witnessed in Ramapo
[18:29] Victoria Gloucester: I was with one of the Peer Mentors
[18:29] Sariah Chihuly: it might actually be interesting to study those who do get addicted to sl -- ?
[18:29] Victoria Gloucester: these students have had extra time in sl
[18:29] Victoria Gloucester: and they assist the others with the technical pieces
[18:29] CDB Barkley: Yes, compare to game addicition
[18:29] Victoria Gloucester: As I was sitting with him
[18:30] Professor Beliveau: what age are these students?
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: a girl asked hime a question in world
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: for help
[18:30] Paislee Lane: Yes please
[18:30] Maggie Marat: 13
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: I asked him to point her out before he responded
[18:30] Troy McLuhan: me notes that there is a difference between addiction and using something a lot. Take commuting to work for example...
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: they were all in a lab together and I was next to him in rl
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: he pointed to ger
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: ]her
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: andI then asked
[18:30] Victoria Gloucester: do you think she would have asked you for help f2f in the classroom?
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: and he paused
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: and said
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: I am not really sure of the last time I ever spoke to her
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: what that spoke to for me
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: was that even though they know one another
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: they are able to connect
[18:31] KJ Hax: the rmoval of barriers...
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: to pull down the walls
[18:31] Existential Paine: Have you experienced students that don't enjoy the SL experience, even resist it?
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: and interact
[18:31] Victoria Gloucester: as an affinity group
[18:31] Clare Lane: it is a huge deal in middle school
[18:32] Maggie Marat: out of 400 kids about 5
[18:32] KJ Hax: wow
[18:32] Victoria Gloucester: and not as a "middle school class"
[18:32] Clark Abismo: So you believe that avatars can multiply your inner self? That is, they might help relationships, regarding race, style, culture, ideas and beliefs?
[18:32] KJ Hax: Yes
[18:32] Victoria Gloucester: I believe that James Paul Gee
[18:32] Clare Lane: loaded ? but yes
[18:32] Maggie Marat: absolutely!
[18:32] Victoria Gloucester: has done research on the 36 learning principles behind ssimulations and games
[18:32] Victoria Gloucester: and that there are about 5
[18:32] Victoria Gloucester: that speak specifically to interpersonal relationships
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: I see these
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: play out in what the kids do in world
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: but also
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: in my own interacyions as an adult in the main grid
[18:33] KJ Hax: In the two days
[18:33] Ilene Pratt: Does the research speak to better ways to build community in RL for those students?
[18:33] KJ Hax: I was at Ramapo
[18:33] KJ Hax: I saw community forming
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: That is an interesting question
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: if i was looking for that data
[18:33] KJ Hax: There were people
[18:33] KJ Hax: coming into the lab
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: i would look to see
[18:33] KJ Hax: ready to go
[18:33] Victoria Gloucester: if anyone had studied that
[18:34] KJ Hax: explore and work togehter.
[18:34] Victoria Gloucester: in online courses
[18:34] Clark Abismo: And what impact does SL have on their own real lifes? Do you think they are more cooperative with eachother?
[18:34] KJ Hax: Actually yes
[18:34] Victoria Gloucester: Moodle, Blackboard, etc
[18:34] KJ Hax: there is video on my blog
[18:34] KJ Hax: that has students reacting
[18:34] Victoria Gloucester: that would be the place to start
[18:34] KJ Hax: to the SL experience
[18:34] KJ Hax: one thing they saiud
[18:34] KJ Hax: was that their natural tendencies
[18:34] KJ Hax: to be competitive
[18:34] KJ Hax: were amplified but
[18:34] KJ Hax: in a positive way.
[18:34] Clark Abismo: interesting
[18:34] KJ Hax: They were able to "get into"
[18:35] KJ Hax: the roles they had in a reenactment of the trial
[18:35] KJ Hax: from Of Mice and Men
[18:35] KJ Hax: and how
[18:35] KJ Hax: as Prosecutor,
[18:35] KJ Hax: Defense Attorney,
[18:35] KJ Hax: Judge or
[18:35] KJ Hax: Juror,
[18:35] KJ Hax: they were able to "get into" the character
[18:35] KJ Hax: in a way THEY WOULD NOT HAVE
[18:35] KJ Hax: if they were standing
[18:35] KJ Hax: in front of the room
[18:35] Clark Abismo: expanding their imagination and horizons, right?
[18:35] KJ Hax: doing a role play.
[18:35] KJ Hax: Yes
[18:35] Clare Lane: from someone with a gtheater backgriund
[18:35] Victoria Gloucester: the students take risks
[18:35] Clare Lane: I can tell you the difference is immeasurable
[18:36] Victoria Gloucester: psychosocial moratorium
[18:36] Existential Paine: Please speak more on that CLare
[18:36] Victoria Gloucester: they do things
[18:36] Victoria Gloucester: they would not
[18:36] Victoria Gloucester: in rl
[18:36] Victoria Gloucester: in the simulation
[18:36] Clark Abismo: In terms of personality, do you think the students "changed" after the SL experience?
[18:36] Maggie Marat: they take "social risks"
[18:36] KJ Hax: that is what I am interested in knowing!
[18:36] KJ Hax: Maggie, what have you seen?
[18:37] Maggie Marat: well - unanimously the kids are self described as more IMMERSED
[18:37] Clare Lane: they delve into the characters in the text in a way that they feel is more safe and therfore
[18:37] Maggie Marat: but this new project we atarted to day will be the real "ground breaker"
[18:37] KJ Hax: Go maggie!
[18:37] Maggie Marat: the kids have begun a unit on BOdy Image
[18:37] Clare Lane: are able to analyze the effects of character on plot, setting, etc. in a way that they never
[18:37] KJ Hax: Tell us!
[18:37] Clare Lane: wiykd otherwise
[18:37] Maggie Marat: and we have hidden out titles
[18:37] Maggie Marat: and na,mesa
[18:37] Fleep Tuque: Do you think this will be changed by the introduction of voice integration with SL?
[18:37] Maggie Marat: so they are truly anonymous
[18:37] KJ Hax: 1 sec fleep
[18:38] Khadijah Burali: Apart fromm role playing, do you find that there are particular kinds of learning tasks that are especially suited to SL?
[18:38] Maggie Marat: they are building five different avatars dyuring the scope of the project
[18:38] Maggie Marat: the first is "self" - as close to their real life persona as possible
[18:38] Thompson Coronet: It's going to be interesting to see how voice integration effects all of this
[18:38] Maggie Marat: then there is the group discussion a nd reactions and reflectiosn
[18:39] Maggie Marat: next they create the "beautiful" avatar - according to popular media standards
[18:39] Maggie Marat: we show them a great movie from th Dove Company
[18:39] Clark Abismo: Maggie, about body image, just like in the adult grid, is not true that they tend to be more beautiful than they really are in RL? That is, they personalize what kind of person they love to be? There's not a danger of changing the values about their own bodies?
[18:39] Maggie Marat: about hopw magazines and billboards are altered for the Perfect Models we see
[18:39] Corwin Carillon: Maggie, can you point us to the movie?
[18:39] Maggie Marat: then they CHANGE GENDER and dio it again
[18:40] Lyr Lobo smiles and nods at Maggie
[18:40] KJ Hax: i;ll get it
[18:40] Thompson Coronet: That's a great movie
[18:40] KJ Hax: 1 sec
[18:40] Maggie Marat: it is in the blog http://rampoislands.blogspot,com
[18:40] Lyr Lobo: Clark, many of the students do not go for the optimal/most beautiful looks
[18:40] Pia Klaar: This is the health project? That your class is doing with the health teacher.
[18:40] Maggie Marat: yes
[18:40] Lyr Lobo: many are very creative and some are extremely unusual
[18:40] Victoria Gloucester: This is all part of the identity principle
[18:40] Victoria Gloucester: and the part of what is them
[18:40] Victoria Gloucester: what is the avi
[18:40] Victoria Gloucester: and what the avi becomes
[18:40] KJ Hax: here you go
[18:40] KJ Hax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZoyfhG0Wwk
[18:40] Maggie Marat: then we have them revisit their own avatar and compare the first to the last and reflect
[18:40] Pia Klaar: I thought it was a very good idea in terms of middle schools students.
[18:41] Victoria Gloucester: the avatar is not totally ?you?, but a virtual representation of a person who reflects some of ?you?, who amplifies other parts of ?you?, and who assists the users in learning more about themselves.
[18:41] Maggie Marat: we are looking to see if thekids choose to be more "real" or still go for the media version of beautiful
[18:41] Khadijah Burali: When do you expect to have results from your research?
[18:41] Maggie Marat: since anyone can be beautiful in SL - this brings up real philosophical questions
[18:41] Laelia Laval: I'd like to see how these altered avatars act in SL
[18:42] KJ Hax: I will be working
[18:42] Pia Klaar: The Dove video is good intro to that.
[18:42] KJ Hax: for the next 2 months at least
[18:42] KJ Hax: on additional data gathering and
[18:42] KJ Hax: reflection.
[18:42] KJ Hax: By the end of summer,
[18:42] KJ Hax: I should have something presentable
[18:42] Troy McLuhan: Making accurate skins requres a cetain amount of technocal sophistication
[18:42] KJ Hax: as I will be attending Walden Commencement
[18:42] Khadijah Burali: Sounds great
[18:42] KJ Hax: and will be presenting at
[18:42] KJ Hax: Their annual Conference on Social Change.
[18:42] KJ Hax: Before I forget...
[18:43] KJ Hax: Let me make the third point....
[18:43] Sariah Chihuly: What is the 5th avatar?
[18:43] KJ Hax: which is a tip of the hat to NMC....
[18:43] KJ Hax: I think, and bet you will all agree...
[18:43] KJ Hax: that the new user experience in SL
[18:43] KJ Hax: can be harrowing.
[18:43] KJ Hax: Educators have a
[18:43] KJ Hax: special need for
[18:43] KJ Hax: an easy, friendly,
[18:43] KJ Hax: gentle entry into SL
[18:44] Clare Lane: yes
[18:44] KJ Hax: and NMC is starting to provide that.
[18:44] KJ Hax: It will be IMMEASURABLY IMPORTANT
[18:44] KJ Hax: to these new users
[18:44] KJ Hax: to have a safe place to go
[18:44] KJ Hax: once orientedm
[18:44] KJ Hax: and
[18:44] KJ Hax: to learn about everything
[18:44] KJ Hax: going on with Education in SL.
[18:44] KJ Hax: So thank you NMC!
[18:44] KJ Hax: When will that suystem
[18:44] KJ Hax: be fully live?
[18:44] Victoria Gloucester: wOOO0t
[18:45] Clare Lane: whoo hoo
[18:45] KJ Hax: ...Corwin?
[18:45] KJ Hax: yt?
[18:45] KJ Hax: Ok!
[18:45] Corwin Carillon: no idea KJ ... CDB had to go ..but I guess in a month or so
[18:45] KJ Hax: k
[18:45] KJ Hax: last thing
[18:45] KJ Hax: then q's
[18:45] KJ Hax: There is a group of buildings
[18:45] KJ Hax: over on EduIsland II
[18:45] KJ Hax: coming together
[18:46] KJ Hax: with the purpose of
[18:46] KJ Hax: promoting SL amongs the education community.
[18:46] KJ Hax: It all started with Existential Paine, who
[18:46] Meg Writer: ex rocks!!
[18:46] KJ Hax: got a house, soon follwed by Hodjazz Edman.
[18:46] Victoria Gloucester: :-)
[18:46] KJ Hax: These two guys
[18:46] KJ Hax: built the most amazing facilities
[18:46] KJ Hax: and I eventually got a house but
[18:46] KJ Hax: didn't want to replicate whaty they had done.
[18:47] Meg Writer: hi neighbor!
[18:47] KJ Hax: So...
[18:47] KJ Hax: I thought,
[18:47] KJ Hax: what canI bring to the table?
[18:47] KJ Hax: And since we all know
[18:47] KJ Hax: how approachable Kathy Schrock is,
[18:47] KJ Hax: I sent her an email and siad,
[18:47] Victoria Gloucester: :-)
[18:47] KJ Hax: would you be interested in
[18:47] KJ Hax: some space in a house
[18:47] Victoria Gloucester: And we know where she lives in sl... :-)
[18:47] KJ Hax: like a 'halfway house' so to speak
[18:47] KJ Hax: no offense JKathy!
[18:48] KJ Hax: To help her learn about SL?
[18:48] KJ Hax: She said ues
[18:48] KJ Hax: and brought her rolodec.
[18:48] KJ Hax: rolodex
[18:48] KJ Hax: and the rest is history.
[18:48] KJ Hax: Today, the group is called
[18:48] Meg Writer: kathy was the one that saved me from orientation island!
[18:48] KJ Hax: The Center for Advanced Virtual Education
[18:48] KJ Hax: and it counts as its members....
[18:48] KJ Hax: Annette Lamb, Andy Carvin, Doug Johnson, Alan November, Will Richardson, David Warlick, and soon Hall Davidson, Steve Dembo and a few others whose names I can?t mention because they haven?t confirmed yet.
[18:49] KJ Hax: These people
[18:49] KJ Hax: are all in SL for
[18:49] KJ Hax: the same reasons we are.
[18:49] KJ Hax: To learn
[18:49] KJ Hax: explore
[18:49] KJ Hax: share
[18:49] KJ Hax: help
[18:49] KJ Hax: discuss
[18:49] KJ Hax: and determine what SL is all about.
[18:49] KJ Hax: We will be annpuncing, shortly
[18:49] KJ Hax: a series of free gathering sand seminars
[18:49] KJ Hax: anyone can come to
[18:49] KJ Hax: to mix with and share
[18:49] KJ Hax: thoughts and ideas with thesefolks.
[18:49] KJ Hax: They are already here
[18:50] KJ Hax: and participating.
[18:50] KJ Hax: And the best part is,
[18:50] KJ Hax: it's staring to feed on itself.
[18:50] KJ Hax: Meg Writer,,,,
[18:50] KJ Hax: you are an example!
[18:50] Meg Writer: yes
[18:50] Meg Writer: really?
[18:50] KJ Hax: People at the TOP OF THEIR GAME!
[18:50] KJ Hax: Coming to SL
[18:50] KJ Hax: to learn and share.
[18:50] KJ Hax: And, people like me,
[18:50] KJ Hax: Computer Teachers....
[18:50] KJ Hax: in small elementary shcools,,,
[18:50] KJ Hax: regular people who
[18:50] KJ Hax: don't give keynotes
[18:51] KJ Hax: or fly around the country. :)
[18:51] KJ Hax: Right here
[18:51] KJ Hax: Right now
[18:51] KJ Hax: real time
[18:51] KJ Hax: real world.
[18:51] Victoria Gloucester: they just fly around sl
[18:51] KJ Hax: lol
[18:51] Clare Lane: And the question for all of us is I think is, How can this work for our students?
[18:51] KJ Hax: Yes!
[18:51] Meg Writer: learning together!
[18:51] KJ Hax: Questions?
[18:51] KJ Hax: Let's have 'em!
[18:51] Thompson Coronet: KJ, have you talked to or plan to present any of your research to the Lindens, and talk to them about a need for a safe educational grid?
[18:51] Meg Writer: we are all transforming teaching and learning!
[18:51] Clark Abismo: I guess we all have more questions than answers... hehehehe
[18:51] Clare Lane: I spoke to Claudia Linden today
[18:51] KJ Hax: GoClare!
[18:52] Clare Lane: There is talk of several possibilities
[18:52] Clare Lane: Nothing specific right now
[18:52] Meg Writer: we need an educational grid!
[18:52] Clare Lane: but they are aware of a need
[18:52] KJ Hax: Yes!
[18:52] Clare Lane: there is also talk of
[18:52] Thompson Coronet: Well, at least the discussions are happening
[18:52] Clare Lane: making the TG for middle school kids
[18:52] Sariah Chihuly: I am not sure a "safe" grid would be a good thing -- isn't one of the things about virtual worlds that you get to fall down and not hurt yourself? Learn how to deal
[18:52] Clare Lane: the age I teach 11-12
[18:52] Sariah Chihuly: with awkward situations and people?
[18:53] Corwin Carillon: when you say we need an educational grid .. who is the we?
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: There are many districts that are fearful
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: of how to deal with
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: issues that might come up
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: for instance
[18:53] Thompson Coronet: I'm speaking of a grid dedicated to educational simulations
[18:53] Sariah Chihuly: maybe the teen grid is ok, but I wouldn't want an edu grid for college students.
[18:53] Wuzzadiva Iddinja: need pre-teen grid?
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: if you have a griefing issue
[18:53] Ilene Pratt: I think you can count on the kids to provide their own situations.
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: internationally
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: how do you
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: deal with the consequences and fall out
[18:53] Gus Plisskin: You have to teach people that briefly breaking immersion solves many griefing issues.
[18:53] Meg Writer: we need to start with the young kids, they need guidance!
[18:53] KJ Hax: More, Gus?
[18:53] Victoria Gloucester: I believe
[18:53] Clare Lane: there will be liability issues of which the LL's are aware
[18:54] Victoria Gloucester: that a well written AUP
[18:54] Victoria Gloucester: an INFORCED AUP
[18:54] Wuzzadiva Iddinja: there are k-12 alts to SL...
[18:54] Victoria Gloucester: Acceptable Use Policy
[18:54] Gus Plisskin: If two people are having a dispute, one can remind them SL is large. They don't have to solve the issue
[18:54] Victoria Gloucester: and informed staff
[18:54] Victoria Gloucester: a trained staff
[18:54] KJ Hax: I teach K-4 Meg...it starts with me and Webkinz!
[18:54] KJ Hax: And Whyville.net
[18:54] Meg Writer: agreed penquins?
[18:54] Victoria Gloucester: an admintrative structure that is willing to take risks
[18:54] Victoria Gloucester: can make all of this happen
[18:55] Meg Writer: we need a place to teach all kids!
[18:55] KJ Hax: Ramapo is the closest
[18:55] KJ Hax: to haveing that
[18:55] Clare Lane: yes!
[18:55] Victoria Gloucester: Ramapo is an example of this
[18:55] KJ Hax: of any district I've seen.
[18:55] Meg Writer: I want to focus my work here on k-8, they needSL
[18:55] Maggie Marat: but even so - we ar emissing out onmthe whole piece of cultural exchange
[18:55] KJ Hax: PcRimX?
[18:55] KJ Hax: PacRimX?
[18:56] Maggie Marat: tht teh global flatter world will demand of our kids
[18:56] KJ Hax: Yes
[18:56] Pia Klaar: Yes.
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: This conversation
[18:56] Clark Abismo: There are a lot of issues we all must agree when we are talking about the teen grid. Kids should be safe from arrasment and all. But i agree with someone who spoke about falling and rise again with the mistakes, and we must not forget that worlwide, there are a lot of different values, beeing from Europe, i know that we europeans tend to be more permissive and less conservative about over protecting kids.
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: is so much larger than this
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: it is one
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: of federal accountability
[18:56] Corwin Carillon: the world is still very spiky tho .. not really flat
[18:56] Khadijah Burali: I go back to the question of whether there are particular learning tasks for which SL is best suited -- or least suited?
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: and how we define and measure student achievement
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: and how districts in the US
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: have reacted to that
[18:56] Khadijah Burali: Yes
[18:56] Sariah Chihuly: how do you get them on to the teen grid if they are under 13? Or is there a place in SL for youngsters? I didn't know that.
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: it s one of professional learning
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: and evolution of education
[18:56] Victoria Gloucester: and
[18:57] Victoria Gloucester: just think how long it took us
[18:57] Victoria Gloucester: to get to this point
[18:57] Meg Writer: No nothing for younger than 13 I believe.
[18:57] Victoria Gloucester: we can't expect
[18:57] Victoria Gloucester: that it will be tomorrow
[18:57] Maggie Marat: not yet
[18:57] Victoria Gloucester: but we have to move forward
[18:57] Victoria Gloucester: and not get in the way or move back
[18:57] Meg Writer: I am learning this with my boys, but we can't talk they are on the teen grid.
[18:57] KJ Hax: Any more questions for these last few minutes, we're almost out of time...
[18:57] KJ Hax: You all have been amazing....
[18:58] Clare Lane: thank you all for your attention and time
[18:58] Meg Writer: thanks!
[18:58] Maggie Marat: thank you KJ Clare and Victoria
[18:58] KJ Hax: Oh I lamost forgot
[18:58] Sariah Chihuly: thanks.
[18:58] Victoria Gloucester: :-)
[18:58] KJ Hax: blog urls!
[18:58] Laelia Laval: thanks all
[18:58] Victoria Gloucester: YW
[18:58] KJ Hax: one sec
[18:58] Maggie Marat: You guys are my family!
[18:58] Ilene Pratt: Thanks for the report!
[18:58] Clark Abismo: Thanks, it was very interesting folks
[18:58] KJ Hax: Me: http://www.storyofmysecondlife.com/http://www.storyofmysecondlife.com/
[18:58] Khadijah Burali: Thanks -- I look forward to reading your research results.
[18:58] Gus Plisskin: thx KJ, Clare, and Victoria
[18:58] KJ Hax: VIc http://www.victoriagloucester.net/
[18:58] KJ Hax: Clare http://secondlifelinguine.wordpress.com/
[18:58] Corwin Carillon: Thanks KJ, Victoria and Clare!!
[18:58] Corwin Carillon: Yay!
[18:59] Clare Lane: you're welcome!
[18:59] KJ Hax: It was our pleasure.
[18:59] Victoria Gloucester: :-)
[18:59] Wuzzadiva Iddinja: /cheer
[18:59] KJ Hax: Thank you for having us!
[18:59] Fleep Tuque claps.
[18:59] Corwin Carillon claps
[18:59] Boris Grommet claps
[18:59] Meg Writer: I want to learn how to clap!
[18:59] Corwin Carillon: We will put the transcript up on the NMC Campus wiki within a day
[18:59] Victoria Gloucester: lower right
[18:59] KJ Hax: Gestures button....
[18:59] Victoria Gloucester: gestures
[18:59] Corwin Carillon: ty all for coming
[18:59] Victoria Gloucester: clap
[18:59] Corwin Carillon: next meeting in two weeks
[18:59] Troy McLuhan: F2 by default I think
[18:59] Meg Writer: thanks
[19:00] Farley Scarborough applauds
[19:00] Wuzzadiva Iddinja: forward slash then type clap in chat :)
[19:00] Meg Writer: /clap
[19:00] Corwin Carillon: or /me claps
[19:00] Meg Writer claps
[19:00] Sariah Chihuly claps
[19:01] Wuzzadiva Iddinja claps
[19:01] Gus Plisskin: F5 = clap :)
[19:01] Meg Writer: yeh, I clapped!! That is why I love it here, everyone helps!
[19:01] Victoria Gloucester: KJ is putting his a/o back on
[19:01] Clare Lane: mine isw F2 Gus
[19:01] Victoria Gloucester: so he can bee kewl again
[19:01] Clare Lane: go Meg!
[19:01] Meg Writer: thanks Clare!
[19:01] KJ Hax: Sorry
[19:01] KJ Hax: Had to
[19:01] KJ Hax: I love my A/O.
[19:01] KJ Hax: Corwin this was awesome/
[19:02] KJ Hax: Thanks for the oppty.
[19:02] Victoria Gloucester: Thank you for having us
