Teachers Buzz 03 Apr 16 Transcript 2
From NMC-Campus
- Apr 16, 2007 meeting 6pm PDT
- location: Dreams Community
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[18:04] Corwin Carllon: Please take a seat everyone
[18:04] hondomac Dalgleish: big empty space :-)
[18:04] Corwin Carllon: there should be plenty of room
[18:04] Attica Bekkers: they advertise events in SL and it easy to search for things of interest
[18:04] hondomac Dalgleish: Hi Corwin
[18:05] Carolyn Carillon: hey corwin
[18:05] Carolyn Carillon: nice to see you again
[18:05] Corwin Carllon: Hi Hondo, Carolyn
[18:06] Corwin Carllon: we will begin shortly ..
[18:07] Bluewave Ogee: OK Corwin
[18:08] Corwin Carllon: Welcome to the NMC teachers buzz everyone ...
[18:09] Corwin Carllon: Please take a seat
[18:09] Birdie Newcomb: Hi JJ
[18:10] Desideria Stockton: hi everyone!!!!!
[18:10] Corwin Carllon: I'd like to welcome you all ...
[18:10] Desideria Stockton: welcome!
[18:10] Corwin Carllon: and my thanks to Desideria for agreeing to do this at very short notice ... thx desi! :)
[18:11] Desideria Stockton: lol
[18:11] Desideria Stockton: i love to talk
[18:11] Corwin Carllon: hehe :)
[18:11] Corwin Carllon: The session will be recorded and the chat will be put on the NMC wiki
[18:11] Corwin Carllon: so hope everyone is ok with this ...
[18:11] Carolyn Carillon: no problem
[18:11] hondomac Dalgleish: Iam
[18:11] Strider Gremminger: cool
[18:11] LoriVonne Lustre: np Corwin
[18:12] Derrik Beck: sure
[18:12] Bluewave Ogee: it's helpful
[18:12] Cyndi Uriza: np
[18:12] Keri Munro: ok
[18:12] Bloomsbury Bode: np
[18:12] Corwin Carllon: thx everyone ...
[18:13] Birdie Newcomb: Hello Desi
[18:13] Corwin Carllon: so without further ado ...
[18:13] Desideria Stockton: is this my cue?
[18:13] Corwin Carllon: I'd like to hand over to Desideria ... who will lead out discussion on learning communities
[18:13] Fleep Tuque: /clap
[18:13] Desideria Stockton: WELCOME
[18:14] Desideria Stockton: Tonight we are going to talk about faculty learning communities
[18:14] Entered chat range: Erich Hienrichs
[18:14] Desideria Stockton: so...to get us in the zone
[18:14] The Sojourner: due to a full sim, the speed build is being taken to Dreams East
[18:14] Desideria Stockton: i would like us all to tak a second
[18:14] Desideria Stockton: to think about
[18:15] Desideria Stockton: what it is we can offer in SL
[18:15] Desideria Stockton: what gifts do WE bring to the table
[18:15] Desideria Stockton: in a notecard
[18:15] Desideria Stockton: I would like you to write these gifts down
[18:15] Desideria Stockton: and i will place out a notecard collector
[18:15] Desideria Stockton: make sure you lace your name on it
[18:15] Desideria Stockton: SL name
[18:16] Notecard Dropbox: Open your Inventory and click on Create... New Note.
[18:16] Notecard Dropbox: Type or paste your suggestion in the new notecard.
[18:16] Notecard Dropbox: Save the notecard. Right click it and choose Rename.
[18:16] Notecard Dropbox: Rename the notecard to your real name.
[18:16] Notecard Dropbox: Drag the notecard from your Inventory to this box.
[18:16] Desideria Stockton: please drag your notecard from your invetoryu
[18:16] Desideria Stockton: to that box
[18:17] Russell Sautereau: um - i don't seen to have a card in my inventory
[18:17] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:17] Desideria Stockton: you have to make a new one
[18:17] Bell Stringer: Create, then Note
[18:17] Desideria Stockton: click inventory
[18:17] Desideria Stockton: then create
[18:17] Desideria Stockton: then new note
[18:18] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:18] Desideria Stockton: think about what you truly have in SL that you can give
[18:18] Desideria Stockton: now, in open chat
[18:18] Desideria Stockton: i would like you to just blabber out
[18:18] Desideria Stockton: what you need
[18:18] Desideria Stockton: what skills tools etc
[18:18] Desideria Stockton: do you need
[18:19] Desideria Stockton: to make this work for you as an educator
[18:19] Desideria Stockton: SL
[18:19] Desideria Stockton: go ahead
[18:19] Desideria Stockton: dont be sjhy
[18:19] Desideria Stockton: ]time
[18:19] Bluewave Ogee: tutor
[18:19] North Lamar: land
[18:19] Bluewave Ogee: more instruction classes
[18:19] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:19] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:19] Bluewave Ogee: a system whereby I knowe the "procedure" - if there is one
[18:19] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:19] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:19] Bluewave Ogee: alweays more cool teaching aides
[18:19] KJ Hax: Fast keyboarding!
[18:19] Fleep Tuque: STAFF
[18:19] Bell Stringer: Scripting knowledge
[18:19] Fleep Tuque: more administrative support
[18:20] Fleep Tuque: help with writing grants
[18:20] Derrik Beck: i will echo the need to know "procedures"
[18:20] Fleep Tuque: to get more funding
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: money
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: land
[18:20] Bluewave Ogee: maybe voice - or at least with OPTIONS for voice so i can choose how i sounds like I can choose how I want to present myself in SL
[18:20] hondomac Dalgleish: Time
[18:20] LoriVonne Lustre: imagination
[18:20] Sariah Chihuly: time
[18:20] Fleep Tuque: best practices so we aren't individually reinventing the wheel
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: all of us
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: here
[18:20] Cyndi Uriza: time and practice
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: have things
[18:20] Corwin Carllon: good practices ....
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: experience
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: ideas
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: data
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: tools
[18:20] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:20] Corwin Carllon: ways to leveradge the affordances of SL ..
[18:20] Desideria Stockton: land
[18:21] Desideria Stockton: but, we dont have a resource bank
[18:21] Desideria Stockton: so sometimes it feels like we are all out here creating the same stuff over and over again
[18:21] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:21] Desideria Stockton: does anyone feel that way?
[18:21] Fleep Tuque: Definitely
[18:21] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:21] Cyndi Uriza: yes
[18:21] Corwin Carllon: yes and no desi
[18:22] Desideria Stockton: Why not, Corwin?
[18:22] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:22] hondomac Dalgleish: ICT store is the closet thing I've seen to a "resource bank"
[18:22] Corwin Carllon: my prob is ... there are resources out there ...
[18:22] Bluewave Ogee: ICt store - yes - very good
[18:22] Corwin Carllon: but dispersed
[18:22] Desideria Stockton: yes
[18:22] Corwin Carllon: we need to aggregate
[18:22] Desideria Stockton: you are very right about that
[18:22] Fleep Tuque: Yes, it's hard to find the great content/tools/ideas that are working for others.
[18:22] Desideria Stockton: that is why we opened the school sore
[18:22] Bluewave Ogee: we need a "librarian"
[18:22] Desideria Stockton: store
[18:23] JJ Drinkwater: ICT library on Info island is a pretty good "resource source"
[18:23] Corwin Carllon: can't we aggregate dispersed content using RSS
[18:23] North Lamar: information scieentist
[18:23] Bluewave Ogee: yep - and more
[18:23] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:23] Desideria Stockton: as i find it hard to send my colleagues to places where they sell crazy clothes
[18:23] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:23] Bluewave Ogee: yes, North - I was being old fashioed :-)
[18:23] Desideria Stockton: so, there is aLOT HERE
[18:23] Desideria Stockton: a LOT
[18:23] Desideria Stockton: but we have no idea
[18:23] Fleep Tuque: But even the ICT library is difficult for newcomers to find, navigate, use. The scripts, for example, don't come with instructions. :)
[18:24] Desideria Stockton: part of the reason the conference is so popular
[18:24] Bluewave Ogee: right
[18:24] Desideria Stockton: is because so many of us want and NEED to share
[18:24] Desideria Stockton: why is that?
[18:24] Bluewave Ogee: happiness
[18:24] Fleep Tuque: Because none of us have the time to do it all ourselves. :)
[18:24] Desideria Stockton: well
[18:24] Desideria Stockton: yes
[18:24] Desideria Stockton: but
[18:24] Desideria Stockton: why else?
[18:25] Cyndi Uriza: the sum of our knowledge is so much greater than each of the parts
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: who validates our work here?
[18:25] Birdie Newcomb: lspeaking is part of learning
[18:25] Bell Stringer: Because we're educators
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: and
[18:25] hondomac Dalgleish: it's what I know - I work in a very collaborative environment
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: we have a responsibility to those who pay us
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: if we dont validate our work here
[18:25] Bloomsbury Bode: We also need it to hold feedback from teachers who are using the tools
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: we are just a bunch of professors playing a game
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: conferences
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: meetings like this
[18:25] Bell Stringer: So says my wife :)
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: connect us
[18:25] Notecard Dropbox: Open your Inventory and click on Create... New Note.
[18:25] Notecard Dropbox: Type or paste your suggestion in the new notecard.
[18:25] Notecard Dropbox: Save the notecard. Right click it and choose Rename.
[18:25] Notecard Dropbox: Rename the notecard to your real name.
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: and establish community
[18:25] Notecard Dropbox: Drag the notecard from your Inventory to this box.
[18:25] Desideria Stockton: similar to that which we have in real life
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: by virtue of assocationssa
[18:26] Bluewave Ogee: right, Desi -- we're trying to INTEGRATE RL and SL
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: I belong to the MLA
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: and NCTW
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: NCTW
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: and those are "valid"
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: what we do here
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: isn't "valid" yet
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: because it is so new
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: and some of us have a hard time
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: convicing our people back home
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: that this is worth it
[18:26] Desideria Stockton: so
[18:27] North Lamar: valid is such an old world connotation
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: if our college buys us an islands
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: we have to show it is used
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: through data
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: and assessment
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: that is the borttom line
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: so....those of us with land
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: get caught is a trap
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: we want all the people to come to our land
[18:27] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: so we can show our bosses
[18:27] Desideria Stockton: look...see..ppeople come
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: but then we never leave our land
[18:28] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: because we dont want to get caught having fun somewhere else
[18:28] Bluewave Ogee: gotta leave your land
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: that is one pressure
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: mix into that
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: that a lot of us
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: have never actually brought students here
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: i have students here
[18:28] Desideria Stockton: 24 atm
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: and 154 in the swummer
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: but
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: a lot of us are in the planning stages
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: we need to prove it will be good for students
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: but without their presence
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: that is a bit hard to do
[18:29] Sariah Chihuly: maybe start small?
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: add to that
[18:29] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:29] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:29] Desideria Stockton: that some of us cant build or script
[18:29] Birdie Newcomb: setting the stage
[18:30] Desideria Stockton: like me
[18:30] Birdie Newcomb: True
[18:30] Desideria Stockton: i can neither build nor script
[18:30] Sariah Chihuly: well, maybe we don't have to start out with a full on island and presentation.
[18:30] Sariah Chihuly: I have been bringing/meeting students here for office hours.
[18:30] Desideria Stockton: so.....what do we do?
[18:30] Desideria Stockton: how do we connect to one another/
[18:30] Sariah Chihuly: I teach online, so that is one way I can connect a bit.
[18:30] hondomac Dalgleish: do we need to build or just provide space for our learners to build?
[18:30] Bluewave Ogee: bring our students/classes together as part of the curriculum
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: how do we get the message out about what we have to share
[18:31] KJ Hax: Blogs
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: yes, that is one way
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: connect our students
[18:31] Sariah Chihuly: sled
[18:31] hondomac Dalgleish: wikis
[18:31] Corwin Carllon: a feed
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: yes, sled
[18:31] KJ Hax: Networking
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: www.secondlife.com/education
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: wikis
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: blogs
[18:31] North Lamar: sled is unuseable, it is a victim of it's own success
[18:31] Sariah Chihuly: students are great at talking with one another -- maybe we need a myspace page? lol.
[18:31] Desideria Stockton: what do you mean?
[18:31] Corwin Carllon: too many places / spaces
[18:32] Bloomsbury Bode: student oreintated SLed
[18:32] Birdie Newcomb: In SL, learning requires people to rely on each other
[18:32] Corwin Carllon: we need a way to aggregate these into one feed
[18:32] Desideria Stockton: yes
[18:32] Desideria Stockton: i was thinking of ways we might do that
[18:32] Bluewave Ogee: right, Corwin
[18:32] Corwin Carllon: and also have the feed in-world
[18:32] Desideria Stockton: here is an rss box
[18:32] Corwin Carllon: using suprglu
[18:32] Desideria Stockton: that i use
[18:32] Russell Sautereau: You know - its a lot like bad credit - you have to pay a lot for car financing to get it back - we need to use SL to get real certifications Etc before non-users will see any value in it
[18:32] Bluewave Ogee: who are our information speicalists present?
[18:33] RSS Reader 1.0 whispers: Requesting feed.
[18:33] Sariah Chihuly: I'm not sure I qualify, I'm a librarian.
[18:33] RSS Reader 1.0 whispers: Parsing feed.
[18:33] Multi Gadget v1.51.0: JJ Drinkwater
[18:33] Desideria Stockton: this is an rss reader that i use
[18:33] Erich Hienrichs: Depends what you mean by specialist. ;)
[18:33] Desideria Stockton: my students have that in all their classrooms
[18:33] Sariah Chihuly: zackly
[18:33] RSS Reader 1.0 whispers: Done!
[18:33] Cyndi Uriza: I'm a school media specialist
[18:33] Bluewave Ogee: Also - there;'s nothing like one-on-one with your supervisors -- sit with them for 1 hour and do a tour and talk the whole time....fill their minds with possibilities WHILE they're in SL, seeing themselves experiencing it!
[18:33] Desideria Stockton: so there are tools here
[18:33] Desideria Stockton: that can help us get together
[18:34] North Lamar: we are suffering from a classic knowledge management problem
[18:34] Desideria Stockton: lol
[18:34] Corwin Carllon: yes but thats only part of the story right ? :)
[18:34] Desideria Stockton: yes, North
[18:34] Sariah Chihuly: what about more buzz?
[18:34] Desideria Stockton: yes, Buzz is one way
[18:34] Corwin Carllon: there are other meetings too ..
[18:34] Desideria Stockton: the academy for faculty on Monday nights is anotehr
[18:34] Corwin Carllon: desi herself organizes ..
[18:34] Corwin Carllon: good to have diveristy
[18:34] Desideria Stockton: we train a new set of tools each week
[18:34] Sariah Chihuly: I haven't been able to make too many of these things, but I really want to -- if they were offered more frequently...
[18:34] Bluewave Ogee: buzz is good - next time, each of us bring 3 students along...
[18:34] Desideria Stockton: we did group discussion tools tonight
[18:35] Desideria Stockton: ok
[18:35] Fleep Tuque: I think the issue is the problem of synchronous vs asynchronous. Buzz is great if you can attend, but if I miss it, nothing pokes me in the eye to make me go read the transcript. :)
[18:35] Corwin Carllon: hehe bluewave ... we will crash the sim perhaps
[18:35] Desideria Stockton: lets think of things that prevent us from helping one another
[18:35] Desideria Stockton: part of it is culture
[18:35] Desideria Stockton: most of us come from the publish or perish tradition
[18:35] Corwin Carillon pokes fleep in the eye ... gently
[18:35] Birdie Newcomb: Ar made into a n archive
[18:35] Fleep Tuque grins.
[18:35] North Lamar: i think we need our group efforts need to get more specific as far as users go
[18:35] Desideria Stockton: and we are very protective of our stuff
[18:35] Desideria Stockton: we like for people to see it buit not use it
[18:35] North Lamar: we have to many general learning groups
[18:36] North Lamar: with differnt types of memebrs each with their own goals
[18:36] Desideria Stockton: because we ouwn our intellectual property
[18:36] Desideria Stockton: or
[18:36] Desideria Stockton: we might be open access
[18:36] Desideria Stockton: but our college is not
[18:36] Fleep Tuque: I would like to see more centralized resources in-world. So when I have time to tune-in, I have a place to GO to find all these things.
[18:36] Desideria Stockton: and our colleagues
[18:36] LoriVonne Lustre: set the learning free!!!!
[18:36] Desideria Stockton: the ones who will promote us are not
[18:36] Desideria Stockton: does anyone have this problem/
[18:36] North Lamar: insturctional desgners, teachers, professors, tech managers students, etc
[18:37] Fleep Tuque: Fortunately the faculty learning community I facilitate is pretty committed to open source.
[18:37] Corwin Carllon: sounds like a good idea Fleep ..
[18:37] Desideria Stockton: does everyone know the difference
[18:37] Birdie Newcomb: we buyuild lore as we go
[18:37] Corwin Carllon: maybe that is what Milo was trying to do ..
[18:37] Desideria Stockton: closed access means that all activiites and notes are only allowed tyo your students and faculty
[18:37] Desideria Stockton: open access means that you allow anyone to access your materials
[18:38] Corwin Carllon: and use tools
[18:38] Desideria Stockton: MIT's Open Courseware is the benchmark
[18:38] Corwin Carllon: including students
[18:38] Bluewave Ogee: and why not?
[18:38] Corwin Carllon: everyone as you say Desi
[18:38] Sariah Chihuly: Harvard has been running a couple of open source courses too.
[18:38] Desideria Stockton: while we are protected under the Creative Commons license
[18:38] Desideria Stockton: we can oonly open source what is ours
[18:38] Desideria Stockton: we violate copyright
[18:38] Desideria Stockton: by making open opublished works of others without permission
[18:39] Desideria Stockton: because as you all know
[18:39] Desideria Stockton: fair use laws do not apply to wikis and blogs
[18:39] Desideria Stockton: podcasts or vodcasts
[18:39] Desideria Stockton: those things must be held under password through couirse management systems
[18:39] Birdie Newcomb: that's an open questiobn
[18:39] Bluewave Ogee: so what about this "global community of learners/teachers idea"?
[18:39] Desideria Stockton: so there may be legitiamte reasons why professors here cant share content
[18:40] Desideria Stockton: well, in here
[18:40] Desideria Stockton: for us to work together
[18:40] Desideria Stockton: we need to adopt a univeral philosphy of sharing
[18:40] Bluewave Ogee: amen
[18:40] Fleep Tuque: I honestly think it's as much of a people management problem as it is an information management problem, coordination takes work, cooperation, commnunication, organizing.
[18:40] Desideria Stockton: thaty is our first step
[18:40] North Lamar: mos def
[18:40] Desideria Stockton: good point fleep
[18:40] Desideria Stockton: but, we need to look at our course content hoinestly
[18:40] Bluewave Ogee: right, fleep - I've been trying to get ASL "certification" for weeks now...
[18:41] Desideria Stockton: and evaluate what we can and cannot use
[18:41] Sariah Chihuly: any chance nmc would fund/facilitate grants to get some kind of open source thing going in world?
[18:41] Bluewave Ogee: ...yet real people in RL also haver time constrainsts and there's no simple, smooth procedure for getting ASL certified here in SL
[18:42] Fleep Tuque: (should explain the term for people who don't know, Blue) =)
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: ok
[18:42] Sariah Chihuly: thanks Fleep.
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: so the next step is sharingf what we can ethcially
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: understanding the laws
[18:42] Bluewave Ogee: AQcademy of Second Life - ASL
[18:42] Corwin Carllon: there is no NMC representative here but ...
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: making sure that we are documenting our stuff
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: I teach English
[18:42] Corwin Carllon: I know they actually apply for grants themselves too
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: I am bound by MLA
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: in real life
[18:42] Desideria Stockton: in second life
[18:42] North Lamar: MLA?
[18:43] Desideria Stockton: so, all of us must vow to be ehtical in content delivery
[18:43] Desideria Stockton: modern language assocation
[18:43] Desideria Stockton: the next thong we have to decide
[18:43] Desideria Stockton: is where we draw the lines
[18:43] Desideria Stockton: you have YOUR students
[18:43] Desideria Stockton: you are paid to teach them
[18:43] Desideria Stockton: they are your responsibility
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: if you are in a learning community
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: you might deal with MY students
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: but lets say we are in a community
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: my english students
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: and your journalism students
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: but we are doing a topic on farming
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: and Crowins students are too
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: so, we get them connected
[18:44] Desideria Stockton: to HIS students
[18:45] Desideria Stockton: we create connections between prohects
[18:45] Desideria Stockton: but they are ALL students somewhere
[18:45] Desideria Stockton: what happens when the SL residents show up?
[18:45] Desideria Stockton: the ones who are NOT students anywhere
[18:45] Desideria Stockton: how do we treat them,?
[18:45] LoriVonne Lustre: respectfully
[18:45] Fleep Tuque: Hehe indeed. :) Though I would argue we're all students in SL.
[18:45] LoriVonne Lustre: as we treat everyone
[18:46] Bloomsbury Bode: what if they are not respectfull
[18:46] Erich Hienrichs: They may be a student later if they like what your doing.
[18:46] North Lamar: i like the idea of cross university projecs, but student expectations are different depending on the type of university you are at, any ideas about that?
[18:46] LoriVonne Lustre: if you start from the premise of resepct
[18:46] Desideria Stockton: Harvard set the stage
[18:46] Bluewave Ogee: good point, North
[18:46] Sariah Chihuly: maybe treat them as if they are auditing at least that course session?
[18:46] Desideria Stockton: with the tri pod learning community
[18:46] North Lamar: R1 vs community college for instance
[18:47] Desideria Stockton: in their Cyber One project they had three populations
[18:47] Desideria Stockton: what were they?
[18:47] Bloomsbury Bode: Could you have Auditing Credits, maybe the student would value the experince more?
[18:47] Bluewave Ogee: North - what happened in that?
[18:47] Desideria Stockton: their first pop was in-class RL law students
[18:47] Desideria Stockton: then they had online extension school
[18:47] Desideria Stockton: and their third popwas at-large
[18:47] hondomac Dalgleish: great point LV
[18:47] Desideria Stockton: they ENCOURAGED
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: residentsw
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: to attend
[18:48] Sariah Chihuly: it was a blast, I was one of the at-large folk.
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: I believe that any person here that wants to learn should have that chance
[18:48] North Lamar: but did the residents do the same amount of reading, note taking, and studying that a law student did?
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: regardless of affiliatiopn
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: but how do THEY know we are here?
[18:48] Bluewave Ogee: who?
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: I tried to find all of you
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: for conference information
[18:48] Desideria Stockton: and I couldnt find you
[18:49] Notecard Dropbox: Open your Inventory and click on Create... New Note.
[18:49] Desideria Stockton: in the search
[18:49] Notecard Dropbox: Type or paste your suggestion in the new notecard.
[18:49] Notecard Dropbox: Save the notecard. Right click it and choose Rename.
[18:49] Notecard Dropbox: Rename the notecard to your real name.
[18:49] Notecard Dropbox: Drag the notecard from your Inventory to this box.
[18:49] Desideria Stockton: so, how do we communicate to resdients that we are here?
[18:49] Fleep Tuque: I think we all know you get out of a class what you put into it, I would guess that some of the paying (cause that's really the distinction we're making) students didn't take good notes, either.
[18:49] Sariah Chihuly: some of us did view most of the videos and do a lot of the reading, some just dropped in for office hours.
[18:49] Desideria Stockton: and that we want them to become poart of this with us?
[18:49] North Lamar: harvard law students?
[18:49] WhiteBoard (e): Now showing Image 4/5 - Slide4
[18:49] Bell Stringer: SL Classified
[18:50] Notecard Dropbox whispers: Thank you for submitting your suggestion.
[18:50] Fleep Tuque: Agreed Desi
[18:50] Desideria Stockton: As a community, we need to adopt the philosophy that learning is good for everyone
[18:50] Desideria Stockton: asnd that we, as a collective, have much to offer each otehr
[18:50] Bluewave Ogee: amen
[18:50] WhiteBoard (e): Showing Image 5/5 - Slide5
[18:50] North Lamar: yes
[18:50] Cyndi Uriza: yes
[18:50] Nebby Newman: me/ nods
[18:50] Sariah Chihuly: I did a lot of thinking about the at large community when I was taking the class -- came up with a dream
[18:50] Desideria Stockton: finallt
[18:50] Fleep Tuque: The wiki listing at http://simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=Institutions_and_Organizations_in_SL isn't very useful without a SLurl or contact in-world, just having the organization name isn't enough if you can't find it in search.
[18:50] Desideria Stockton: we need to know what wheels exist
[18:51] WhiteBoard (e): Now showing Image 5/5 - Slide5
[18:51] Bluewave Ogee: Look, in RL at my univerisyt - people have to PAY even if they just want to audit. there's no open system. i'm tired of that
[18:51] Sariah Chihuly: of an "at large U" that would coordinate at large education at any institution that was offering classes in world
[18:51] Fleep Tuque: University without boundaries, I think that's been a dream since the web started.
[18:51] Desideria Stockton: the conference is one way to learn about what we are doing
[18:52] Bluewave Ogee: Count me in, Fleep! :-)
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: please try to come as a presenter
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: or as a guest
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: http://slbestpractices2007.wikispaces.com/
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: it is free
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: every college
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: library
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: etc
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: gets free space
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: edu gamers
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: get free space to set up and play games
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: there are keynotes
[18:52] Desideria Stockton: inclusing darah robbins
[18:53] Desideria Stockton: it is one way for us to connect
[18:53] Fleep Tuque: free PR, free exchange of ideas, info, content
[18:53] Desideria Stockton: we all have soooo much to share
[18:53] Desideria Stockton: when i open that box
[18:53] Bluewave Ogee: There will be Sanboxes
[18:53] Desideria Stockton: i am sure to find a lot of goodies
[18:53] Fleep Tuque is so excited!
[18:53] North Lamar: i have data from a yearlong SL pilot i would to share
[18:53] Fleep Tuque: That would be an excellent presentation, North.
[18:53] Bluewave Ogee: Yes, north! That will be critical!
[18:53] Fleep Tuque: You should send in a proposal. :)
[18:54] Cyndi Uriza: yes please
[18:54] Bluewave Ogee: ASAP
[18:54] LoriVonne Lustre: do it NOrth
[18:54] Desideria Stockton: I will go through the notecards
[18:54] Desideria Stockton: and place the lists on here
[18:54] Desideria Stockton: http://collegeenglish.wikispaces.com/buzz
[18:54] Desideria Stockton: and list all of the resources
[18:54] Bluewave Ogee: thanx, Desi!
[18:54] Desideria Stockton: that is one way to start a bank
[18:54] Desideria Stockton: please feel free to add to it
[18:54] Fleep Tuque: I was talking to someone yesterday who was stressing about writing up a good proposal, I think those kinds of fears keep us from even trying, don't sweat it if you haven't done it before - good ideas will rise to the top!
[18:55] Desideria Stockton: I will only use your SL name there
[18:55] Desideria Stockton: Yes, please dont stress out
[18:55] Desideria Stockton: this is a good thing
[18:55] Bluewave Ogee: and full name, please, so we can find each other :-)
[18:55] Desideria Stockton: and not meant to stress people out
[18:56] Bluewave Ogee: Can we explore for a moment fleet's idea of an SL Unicv. for everyone?
[18:56] Desideria Stockton: does anyone have anything they would like to share
[18:56] Desideria Stockton: any ideas
[18:56] Desideria Stockton: for partnerships?
[18:56] Bluewave Ogee: Fleet's idea
[18:56] Desideria Stockton: sure
[18:56] Desideria Stockton: Fleet - i missed it
[18:56] Bloomsbury Bode: a federal collegiate model would work best
[18:56] Desideria Stockton: can you say it again
[18:56] Fleep Tuque: hehe, which one?
[18:56] Bluewave Ogee: the Univ. at Large for everyone idea
[18:56] Fleep Tuque: Ah yes
[18:57] Bluewave Ogee: & Bloom has a thot on it, too
[18:57] Bell Stringer: That was Sariah's wasn't it?
[18:57] Bluewave Ogee: Maybe??! sure1
[18:57] Fleep Tuque: University without boundaries, institutions partnering to provide courses towards certifications and degree programs
[18:58] Bluewave Ogee: Sariah - jump in?!
[18:58] Bloomsbury Bode: yes an open access model based on the trraditional federal university
[18:58] Fleep Tuque: Our institutions already work together to transfer credits
[18:58] Sariah Chihuly: I was thinking along those lines, but with some kind of a federal at large university that would coordinate
[18:58] Desideria Stockton: excellent choice
[18:58] Bloomsbury Bode: we would need to find an appropriate way to admit new colleges, schools etc
[18:58] Fleep Tuque: It seems tht some models already exist in the RL
[18:58] Sariah Chihuly: at large education -- in other words, find teaching assistants for at large sections maybe?
[18:58] Fleep Tuque: it would just be a matter of translating them to SL terms.
[18:58] Fleep Tuque: Gosh darn it, the term is escaping me.
[18:58] Bloomsbury Bode: We can work on a model framework on a wiki
[18:59] Sariah Chihuly: have a central college quad which linked to all the courses willing to have at large sutdents.
[18:59] Bluewave Ogee: Actually, i thot you meant something even MORE OPEn, more at large in the sense that anyone can come....less structured
[18:59] Bloomsbury Bode: of how to govern a Sl university federal collegiate structre
[18:59] Sariah Chihuly: anyone can come -- not structured in that sense
[18:59] Sariah Chihuly: but one of the arguments that came up in cyber one
[18:59] Birdie Newcomb: I'm working on an idea for partnering with independent educators
[18:59] Bluewave Ogee: ok
[18:59] Fleep Tuque: Articulation agreements! That's it, tip of my tongue problem. :)
[18:59] Birdie Newcomb: Since mine is an independent issland
[18:59] Sariah Chihuly: was a question of resources and paying students.
[18:59] Desideria Stockton: Our time is coming to a close, and I know some of you have to leave, so I want to keep the discussion going, but for those of you who neeed to leave, THANK you on behalf of NMC...remember....the Lindens can't possbily organize us...if we want to establish a community and culture here...WE have to d it :-)
[18:59] Bluewave Ogee: I'm interested Birdie
[19:00] Sariah Chihuly: so you would need to have some kind of formal arrangement with the teachers/institutiions opening their courses,
[19:00] Bloomsbury Bode: we should have some form of structure to ensure that all education stays open access
[19:00] Sariah Chihuly: while still remaining open to any sl resident as a student
[19:00] Desideria Stockton: I agree Bloom
[19:00] Sariah Chihuly: if that makes sense?
[19:00] Birdie Newcomb: We're alreading doinng it, thanks to you , and others
[19:00] Bloomsbury Bode: yes we can have open structures
[19:01] Bloomsbury Bode: whislt still understanding that collegiality fosters long term learning in students
[19:01] Bluewave Ogee: Yep - and, Birdie, say more about independent educators/teachers?
[19:01] Sariah Chihuly: one of the deals with at large though, is that it is education just for the joy of learning --
[19:01] Decka Mah is Offline
[19:01] Jeremy Braver: What does everyone think about the gaming community being a very untapped resource given the opportunities here in SL.
[19:01] Fleep Tuque: Before everyone leaves, please keep in mind that you don't have to present for the best practices conference, the booths will be easy to set up and we will provide assistance with that - staffed or not - we want to see something from every institution in SL!
[19:01] Sariah Chihuly: which is what was fun -- so articulation wasn't an issue.
[19:02] Birdie Newcomb: I have started a group called Beach Teacher Collective
[19:02] Birdie Newcomb: to which I will deed land
[19:02] Desideria Stockton: excellent point
[19:02] Birdie Newcomb: . I see a lot of people who can'[t talk their administration into SL
[19:02] Birdie Newcomb: Or are simply independent
[19:02] Desideria Stockton: Birdie is VERY genrous
[19:02] Birdie Newcomb: We can work together
[19:02] Cyndi Uriza: yes, i think games for learning is a tremendous resource in this environment
[19:02] Desideria Stockton: she nearly rescued all of Ren island in one fell swoop
[19:02] Fleep Tuque nods at Birdie.
[19:02] Birdie Newcomb: To make something happen.
[19:02] Cyndi Uriza: thks birdie
[19:02] Bluewave Ogee: Let's talk more, Birdie - I'm very inetrested in that model, too
[19:02] Bloomsbury Bode: we should have a game for educators on how to teach and learn in SL
[19:02] Bloomsbury Bode: :P
[19:03] Fleep Tuque: I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see and help with that!
[19:03] Desideria Stockton: If you want, send me links to your wikis and blogs
[19:03] Desideria Stockton: please send them to my email
[19:03] Bell Stringer: That's actually a great idea Bloom
[19:03] Desideria Stockton: bethritterguth@gmail.com
[19:03] Bluewave Ogee: North, send Desi your links!
[19:03] Fleep Tuque: REALLLY great idea!
[19:03] Desideria Stockton: please send them along
[19:03] Desideria Stockton: anything you want posted
[19:03] Desideria Stockton: i will find a place to post it
[19:03] Desideria Stockton: :-)
[19:03] Fleep Tuque: Again though Desi
[19:04] Fleep Tuque: It's sometimes hard to recall all of the various sites and wikis and blogs and web resources
[19:04] Fleep Tuque: I hope something that will come of all this
[19:04] Fleep Tuque: is an in-world place to FIND all of that content out there.
[19:04] Corwin Carllon: Thanks Desi :)
[19:04] Desideria Stockton: Everyone, I must leave
[19:04] Bloomsbury Bode: Yes lets have threads in the wiki where we can begin to develop some of the ideas
[19:04] Desideria Stockton: please make sure your cards are in
[19:04] Cyndi Uriza: thanks Desi
[19:04] Fleep Tuque: Thanks Desi!
[19:04] Bluewave Ogee: Hey - why don't we BUILD -OUT these textual lists -- physically, with PRIMS?!
[19:04] Fleep Tuque: Terrific as always!
[19:04] Desideria Stockton: thank you allll for coming!!!!!
[19:04] Bell Stringer: Thanks, Desi!
[19:04] Corwin Carllon: thanks everyone for coming!
[19:04] Cyndi Uriza: /clap
[19:04] Sariah Chihuly: thanks desi!
[19:05] Bloomsbury Bode: yes enjoyable session
[19:05] Bluewave Ogee: LEt's let us LOOK at our resources, walk around and through them. Why aren't we trying that?
[19:05] hondomac Dalgleish: Thanks Desi
[19:05] Fleep Tuque: Blue: I've started that process in our mainland sim
[19:05] North Lamar: too interactive for Sl bluewave
[19:05] North Lamar: lol
[19:05] Cyndi Uriza: yes bluewave
[19:05] Birdie Newcomb: OK, good show
[19:05] Fleep Tuque: Creating objects to web links and other content
[19:05] Bluewave Ogee: :-)
[19:05] Fleep Tuque: but the problem is central location that everyone knows about.
[19:05] Fleep Tuque: :)
[19:06] North Lamar: too many organizations competing for a piece of "the pie"
[19:06] Corwin Carllon: I will post the meeting notes on the NMC wiki later everyone
[19:06] Bluewave Ogee: Look, if the SLED were something I could sit on, eat, or walk around, it would be more accessible
[19:06] Bell Stringer: Thanks, corwin
[19:06] Fleep Tuque: Thanks Corwin!
[19:06] Birdie Newcomb: Voice is cioiming, and html on a prim,
[19:06] Fleep Tuque: And thanks to all, great buzz!
[19:06] Birdie Newcomb: we have enough just to keep up
[19:06] LoriVonne Lustre: thanks!
[19:06] Bluewave Ogee: excellent
[19:07] Birdie Newcomb: ty
[19:07] Cyndi Uriza: Great discussion everyone
[19:07] Bluewave Ogee: new things will emerge we haven'ti imagined
[19:07] Birdie Newcomb: OK, it's been in my mind for a while
[19:07] Fleep Tuque: Great to see some of you again, and to meet others for the first time. :)
[19:07] Bloomsbury Bode: lets all have an open freindhsip offer amongst educators;)
[19:07] Sariah Chihuly: how do you do that?
[19:08] Bluewave Ogee: Great idea
[19:08] Sariah Chihuly: can you actually offer to a group?
[19:08] Fleep Tuque: Start right clicking - add friend like mad? :)
[19:08] Sariah Chihuly: :)
[19:08] Bloomsbury Bode: well I have a grouip SL academics which once we find a solution I will post to it
[19:08] Fleep Tuque: Sadly groups are quickly becoming useless to me because I can't join anymore!
[19:08] Bloomsbury Bode: LOL
[19:09] Birdie Newcomb: O o anothe project
[19:09] Sariah Chihuly: oh no!
[19:09] Sariah Chihuly: maybe a little judicious weeding?
[19:09] Fleep Tuque: Need the ones I have for my own projects and I sure do wish they'd get rid of that limit.
[19:09] Bloomsbury Bode: like RSS educators shouls be able to have freindship seaminglessly
[19:10] Fleep Tuque: Ok all, have a lovely evening and don't forget! If your institution would like a booth at the best practices conference, please let me know. :)
[19:10] Sariah Chihuly: thanks all for a very fun evening.
[19:10] Sariah Chihuly: i always get energized here.
[19:11] Tribulete Alcott: Thanks Desideria for your conference it was really nteresting..
[19:12] Desideria Stockton: thank you for coming all...I must go into rl
[19:12] Desideria Stockton: please feel free to im me any time
[19:12] Desideria Stockton: or email me at bethritterguth[at]gmail[dot]com
