SLED Legitimacy Transcript 2

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October 18, 2006
NMC Campus : Woolsey Hall
part of the Impact of Digital Media Symposium

"Are We Playing Games? Finding Legitimacy in the Academy"
Second Life is filled with brilliant proof-of-concept trials by educators working alone, unfunded and often after hours. Only a few academic efforts are official, integrated and well funded. Why is that? What keeps the mainstream IT folks at bay and banishes early adopters to the fringe of “game studies?” This panel will define the legitimacy gap, explore how it might be breached and go on to discuss what teaching in Second Life could look like with broad acceptance. How will students use streaming 3D when navigating an avatar is as common as logging in to MySpace?

Terry Beaubois of Montana State taught architecture in SL last Fall
Aline Click at NIU has taught in world and presents on SL regularly
Josephine Dorado and Dan Winckler, co-directors of Kids Connect
Jeremy Kemp moderator, keeps Second Life's official education wiki, working on SLoodle hybrid LMS
Sarah "Intellagirl" Robbins from Ball State is teaching a rhetoric class
Sharon Tettegah with UIUC is running an AERA symposium on SL in April in Chicago

[13:07] Milosun Czervik: it's called "SOL"

[13:07] CDB Barkley: pre-teen grid....

[13:07] CDB Barkley: infant grid

[13:07] Milosun Czervik: tween grid.

[13:07] Intellagirl Tully: kid grid :D

[13:07] CDB Barkley: boomer grid

[13:07] Dagmar Kojishi: Fetus grid?

[13:08] Milosun Czervik: why were you rejected?

[13:08] Milosun Czervik: what feedback did NSF give?

[13:08] Zizou Zetkin: Yes do tell

[13:08] CDB Barkley: What's next for Glidden?

[13:08] Eve Uramen: Is there a easy way to get a group of grad student on the campus for a 4 hours I am working on building communities in distance learning

[13:08] Milosun Czervik: okey doke

[13:09] CDB Barkley: We seem to need people & presence as much, more than buildings

[13:09] Gauisus Speculaas: What might be the chance of an "Education Grid" being established?

[13:09] Milosun Czervik: welcome to the world of K12... they must be from the same planet

[13:09] totally Vavoom: how would one justify SL to a small, liberal arts institutin that emphasizes f2f learning?

[13:09] Francis Chung is Offline

[13:09] Amaagariwah Kawabata: I think an Ed grid would be phenomenal

[13:10] Bill Friis: SL is f2f when you understand it.

[13:10] Professor Beliveau: YES

[13:10] Professor Beliveau: WE ARE HAVING HUGE TORUBLE WITH IT

[13:10] Amaagariwah Kawabata: The University of Illinois is exploring the possibility of an Ed Grid MetaVerse development

[13:10] Professor Beliveau: I ASKED THEM TO WORK OUT PROCEDURES INCASE OF DOOMSDAY

[13:10] totally Vavoom: ah, but getting faculty there involves them getting past that initial resistance to it because it's "online" and not brick and kortar!

[13:10] Professor Beliveau: OUR REGISTRAR CAN'T DEAL WITH IT;

[13:10] Intellagirl Tully: let's talk about that in open questions at the end

[13:12] Gauisus Speculaas: (where might we be able to find the audio archive of this talk to share with colleagues? it would make a great podcast, maybe broken into 40 min. segments...)

[13:12] Fleep Tuque: (agreed!)

[13:12] Bill Friis: Yes.

[13:12] CDB Barkley: It will appear later on http://www.nmc.org/sl/

[13:12] Bill Friis: Thanks.

[13:12] In Kenzo is Offline

[13:12] CDB Barkley: Cannot edit til we stop recording ;-)

[13:13] Gauisus Speculaas: thanks--may I excerpt a bit for an educational podcast? :) on knees, imploringly

[13:13] CDB Barkley: Sure, all of our audio is CC licensed..... hoping the panel has no objections

[13:13] Jeremy Kabumpo: sure thing!

[13:14] Gauisus Speculaas: lol

[13:14] audio Zenith: Hahahaha!

[13:14] Watsnu Pussycat: lol

[13:15] Professor Beliveau: ah.. kinda like I said a bit ago about having buildings

[13:15] Duck Peck: heh

[13:15] Professor Beliveau: to teach in

[13:15] Gauisus Speculaas: rofl

[13:15] Fleep Tuque: heheh

[13:15] Josephine Junot: h good move

[13:16] Milosun Czervik: yep.

[13:16] audio Zenith: beautiful

[13:16] Gauisus Speculaas: excellent

[13:16] CDB Barkley: fantastic

[13:16] audio Zenith: hats off!

[13:16] Milosun Czervik: glad you caught that....

[13:16] totally Vavoom: bingo!!!

[13:16] audio Zenith: well said

[13:16] Zizou Zetkin is Offline

[13:16] Milosun Czervik: evidently, you didn't have administrator types hawking around.

[13:17] Ali Andrews: in my 2nd month of building in SL my son turned 18 years old and was outbuilding me in his first 15 minutes in SL

[13:18] Fleep Tuque: Did any of your student participants experience such difficulty using the interface that they felt it hindired their learning? Or did they all take to it like ducks to water?

[13:18] Duck Peck: Do other schools have student teams/employees for building? Or, do you think it works best when in-class projects contribute to building?

[13:18] Fleep Tuque: And what would youur plan have been if a student was unable to navigate SL's interface effectively?

[13:19] Intellagirl Tully: WOW! Awesome way to present your results!

[13:19] Kliger Dinkin: i lost the audio feed

[13:19] Professor Beliveau: still ok for me

[13:19] Larry Pixel: still working here

[13:19] Gauisus Speculaas: may I ask you to share how this audio is being piped into SL? still working' here too

[13:20] Kliger Dinkin: it's back

[13:20] Larry Pixel: we use a POTS audio bridge that everyone calls into We can also tie Skype calls into this...

[13:20] Walter Witte is Offline

[13:20] Larry Pixel: I capture the audio from the call off my phone like with a black box called an "inline patch" liek the ones used on radio...~$200

[13:20] totally Vavoom: How about a NMC buzz session on how to stream audio into a class Larry/CDB?

[13:21] Larry Pixel: Radio shack has one for $30 that does much the same thing

[13:21] Larry Pixel: we port that signal into my computer and stream it out with Shoutcast (free)

[13:21] Duck Peck: you can only stream when you own land

[13:21] Duck Peck: unfortunately/fortunately

[13:21] totally Vavoom: lol ;-)

[13:21] Larry Pixel: ...where is picked up by our content development network from LimeLight....where they can suppport all the stream we need dynamically

[13:22] Larry Pixel: or if you beong to a group that owns the land

[13:22] Gauisus Speculaas: thank you so much

[13:22] totally Vavoom: wow!

[13:22] Amaagariwah Kawabata: that is great support from MSU

[13:22] Gauisus Speculaas: Sounds like Montana LOL

[13:22] Intellagirl Tully: incredible

[13:23] Milosun Czervik: and don't hang out in little wooden shacks with math professors.

[13:23] totally Vavoom: lol!

[13:23] Kliger Dinkin: wouldn't it be more appropriate to do parts of the project in SL (the design, composition, conception... for example), the parts most suited to the media of SL, and the rest in RL?

[13:23] Fleep Tuque: Did any of your student participants experience such difficulty using the interface that they felt it hindired their learning? Or did they all take to it like ducks to water?

[13:23] Fleep Tuque: And what would your plan have been if a student was unable to navigate SL's interface effectively?

[13:24] Professor Beliveau: fleep: they would not get into my class in the first place

[13:24] Eve Uramen: Can I make a video in sl

[13:24] totally Vavoom: yes eve, it's called machinima

[13:24] Duck Peck: Do other schools have student teams/employees for island development? Or, do you think it works best when in-class projects contribute to building?

[13:24] audio Zenith: affirmative

[13:24] audio Zenith: check out FRAPS

[13:24] CDB Barkley: Streaming is also runnnig through a special server (Limelight networks is who we use)

[13:24] Intellagirl Tully: FLeep - I'll answer that quick, i recruited for the course so i didn't get students who would be intimidated by it

[13:24] CDB Barkley: Schematic: http://www.gliffy.com/publish/1057183/L

[13:24] Eve Uramen: where is it

[13:24] audio Zenith: ww.fraps.com

[13:24] Milosun Czervik: I agree.

[13:25] Fleep Tuque: Thanks, it sounds like some experience with these types of interface is a prerequisite

[13:25] Amaagariwah Kawabata: scalability is important

[13:25] Troy McLuhan: There is an OBJ to SL importer, if you have lots of prims available :)

[13:26] Pinky Emu gave you BetsyWalton-loupe14.

[13:26] Pinky Emu gave you BetsyWalton-loupe07.

[13:26] Kliger Dinkin: CAD might be developed, as you say, but the way we build in SL... accumulating primitive objects, does not work like CAD... the media is VERY different

[13:26] Pinky Emu gave you BetsyWalton-frostloupes2.

[13:26] CDB Barkley: now

[13:26] Eve Uramen: where can I find machinmaina

[13:26] Pinky Emu gave you BetsyWalton-frostloupes1.

[13:26] Amaagariwah Kawabata: me too LOL

[13:26] audio Zenith: Hahahaha!

[13:26] Fleep Tuque: heheh

[13:26] Milosun Czervik: I get a lot of crazy looks too.

[13:26] Lyr Lobo: Tool use, such as Blender

[13:27] Kliger Dinkin: except that the interface in Blender copies the SL tool set

[13:27] Amaagariwah Kawabata: I agree

[13:27] Fleep Tuque: *nod* Finding something that resonates with the discipline or the audience you are presenting to.

[13:27] Duck Peck: has anyone tried the SketchUp - > SL plugin yet?

[13:27] totally Vavoom: and also something that overwhelms noobs, the wide range

[13:27] Amaagariwah Kawabata: My students LOVED it!

[13:28] Kliger Dinkin: yes... i had problems with the import

[13:28] Amaagariwah Kawabata: me neither, I say virtual environment

[13:28] audio Zenith: of course

[13:28] totally Vavoom: me neither, in fact, I tell my class it's not a game at all

[13:29] Milosun Czervik: I would argue that instructors need to do a lot better job at engagement in RL... seems being in SL makes some work harder at it.

[13:29] Duck Peck: I figured it wasn't very stable

[13:29] Gauisus Speculaas: I have to go RL but I'm leaving my 'puter on to catch the chat. Thank you so much everyone for the marvelous meeting.

[13:30] Ariel Surya: Perhaps as educators we have no evidence yet on engagement in SL?

[13:30] Ariel Surya: What would it look like to be truly effective? Sky's the limit -- unlike RL

[13:30] Intellagirl Tully: Ariel, i'm writing a research paper on that right nwo

[13:30] Intellagirl Tully: building an assessment tool to measure engagement

[13:31] Josephine Junot: sustainability comm dev - absolutely!

[13:31] Ariel Surya: Wow! some of us would love to see that paper. I know how to do an online course, but not SL course

[13:31] Intellagirl Tully: it's my dissertation :D

[13:31] Duck Peck: nice!

[13:31] Ariel Surya: big paper!

[13:31] Gauisus Speculaas: I'm looking for a way to incorporate SL into a valuable and viable University setting Science experience for HS students

[13:31] Gauisus Speculaas: (a long story)

[13:34] Ariel Surya: So, any ideas on how we move conversation forward collectively to get some models out there?

[13:34] Milosun Czervik: if we do chat...

[13:34] Milosun Czervik: I vote for a moderator

[13:34] Pinky Emu gave you Betsy Walton-Photo Contest.

[13:35] Milosun Czervik: awesome.

[13:35] Fleep Tuque: Great story!

[13:35] Fleep Tuque: That's the kind of testimonial that our faculty need to hear. =)

[13:36] Dan Magpie: leave room for magpie! :D

[13:38] Katherine Watson: enhanced reality

[13:39] Jeremy Kabumpo: media equation - Reeves and Nass!

[13:40] Fleep Tuque: Thank you all for this presentation, it exceeded my expectations and I can't wait to share the recording/capture with others.

[13:40] CDB Barkley: applause!

[13:40] Bobby Liberty: I'd love a link to that perfomance environment

[13:40] Duck Peck: yeah, this was great

[13:41] Bobby Liberty: thanks a lot

[13:41] Dan Magpie: http://keyworx.org

[13:41] Intellagirl Tully: Yeah Jeremy!

[13:41] Enjay Ellison claps

[13:41] Bobby Liberty: thank you

[13:41] Lyr Lobo: Great event... a wealth of information!

[13:41] Watsnu Pussycat: Thank you all...it was very informative

[13:41] Lyr Lobo claps

[13:41] Amaagariwah Kawabata: Thank you NMC and Jeremy

[13:41] Puglet Dancer: Really enjoyued and learned lots

[13:41] Josephine Junot: yes - thanks all!