Artists on the Green event, August 12, 2006 ttp://www.nmc.org/sl/2006/08/01/artists-on-the-green/ [10:56] Sasun Steinbeck: no more last minute self-invites :) [10:56] Circe Timtam: sorry for the frantic message, Sasun, lol [10:56] Sasun Steinbeck: don't worry I expect many more today lol [10:56] Circe Timtam: lol [10:56] Boliver Oddfellow: hey Larry [10:56] Boliver Oddfellow: glad I could make it [10:56] Larry Pixel: Hey Boliver [10:56] Circe Timtam waves to all [10:56] Larry Pixel: look sharp [10:56] Boliver Oddfellow: Quirky sends her regards [10:56] Sasun Steinbeck: Hi Clames! [10:56] Boliver Oddfellow: and ty [10:56] Codalisa Levitt: Hi Ho everyone [10:56] Corwin Carillon: hi codalisa [10:56] Larry Pixel: people are arriving!! so exciting! [10:57] Boliver Oddfellow: did I make it in time for the panel discussion? [10:57] Larry Pixel: oh yes, it is 30 min [10:57] Circe Timtam: ugh, i hate that fun little chat feature [10:57] Boliver Oddfellow: excellent [10:57] Sasun Steinbeck: Circe I'm on a wireless connection over my cell phone :) gads it's slow [10:57] Circe Timtam: yikes [10:57] Ninmah Ash is online [10:57] Tremali Lightworker: hiya [10:57] Circe Timtam: i think i am a tad underdressed, lol [10:57] Boliver Oddfellow: hey tremali long time no talk [10:57] Circe Timtam: heya Tremali! [10:57] Sasun Steinbeck: it's working! a minor technological miracle, but it's working [10:57] Sasun Steinbeck: Hi Tremali! [10:58] Boliver Oddfellow: nice suit Larry [10:58] Tremali Lightworker: how are y'all today? [10:58] Boliver Oddfellow: very sharp in deed! [10:58] Codalisa Levitt: Hi Ho Lorelei [10:58] Circe Timtam: brb [10:58] You: Nice landing [10:58] Lorelei Junot: Hi [10:58] Ninmah Ash: good morning [10:58] Lorelei Junot: How are you ? L( [10:58] Lorelei Junot: :) [10:59] Corwin Carillon: hi ninmah, lori [10:59] Larry Pixel: Welcome to the first in what we hope will be come a series of ÒArtist on the GreenÓ events on the NMC Campus. [10:59] Larry Pixel: For the next 30 minutes weÕll be showing a selection of machinimas and videos in the amphitheatre, and encourage you to stroll around the campus and interact with the artists and with each other. [11:00] Larry Pixel: On the center screen now is Vlad Bjornson: Yachatsanova Excerpt 1 [11:00] Ehdward Spengler: oh, we're supposed to have video streaming on? [11:00] Larry Pixel: To help us reduce lag in the sim, please turn off any scripts and remove any unneeded objects, and reduce your draw distances Ñthank you!! [11:00] Boliver Oddfellow: ao off [11:00] Larry Pixel: If yo ulike [11:00] Codalisa Levitt: /ao off [11:00] Larry Pixel: up to you, or look around [11:01] Larry Pixel: looks to see [11:01] Larry Pixel: So Rachel ..did you ge tth email? [11:01] Ninmah Ash: yes, thank you [11:01] Repeater shouts: Testing... Hello everyone! [11:03] Amalthea Blanc: hey Trem :) [11:03] Tremali Lightworker: howdy Thea :) [11:03] Sasun Steinbeck: Hi Amalthea! [11:03] Amalthea Blanc: hiya Sasun :) [11:03] Amalthea Blanc: hello Larry :) [11:04] Amalthea Blanc: grab a seat Trem [11:04] Amalthea Blanc: you're making me nervous :) [11:04] Tremali Lightworker: sorry :) [11:04] Amalthea Blanc: hehe [11:04] Amalthea Blanc: :) [11:06] DeltaDharmaDawn Aubret: /mg suspend [11:06] Sasun Steinbeck: H Vlad! Hi DeltaDharmaDawn! [11:06] Vlad Bjornson: howdy :D [11:06] Dancoyote Antonelli gave you Open Letter from DanCoyote = dc@spensley.com. [11:07] DeltaDharmaDawn Aubret: Hya Sasun [11:07] Amalthea Blanc: hey Vlad :) good to see you again [11:07] DeltaDharmaDawn Aubret: Vald :) [11:07] DeltaDharmaDawn Aubret: or Vlad ! [11:07] Vlad Bjornson: hello Amalthea - and all of you art lovers! [11:08] DeltaDharmaDawn Aubret: thea HI [11:08] Amalthea Blanc: hey Delta :D [11:08] Amalthea Blanc: wow...quite a crowd here :) [11:08] Larry Pixel: coming up in one minute ..Robbie Dingo on the Center Screen [11:09] Sasun Steinbeck: oh this is bound to be good [11:09] Corwin Carillon: hi dan [11:09] Boliver Oddfellow: kinda hopes its the suzannes guitar one just cuz well I like it [11:09] Larry Pixel: On the center screen now is Robbie Dingo : Stage [11:11] Photowalkthrough Merit: Hi folks [11:11] Esch Snoats: Yo [11:12] Esch Snoats: Say your stuff at the cliff dwellers Photowalk, loved your stuff [11:12] Boliver Oddfellow: wow! that speaks volumes now doesnt it [11:12] Esch Snoats: er saw not say [11:12] Boliver Oddfellow: very welkl done piece of video [11:12] Sasun Steinbeck: Nebulosus hi! [11:12] Nebulosus Severine: hi hi sasun :) [11:12] Photowalkthrough Merit: Hey Esch - thanks. Glad you liked it [11:13] Photowalkthrough Merit: Hi Sasun [11:13] Nebulosus Severine: heya esch, long time no see [11:14] Ninmah Ash: hi Heidi [11:14] Kumi Kuhr: hi hi [11:14] Sasun Steinbeck: Hi Motorato! [11:14] Heidi TeeCee: Hi Ninmah! [11:14] Motorato Ware: Hi Sasun! [11:14] Kumi Kuhr: I am [11:14] Kumi Kuhr: Arahan will be here in 5 ins [11:14] Kumi Kuhr: *mins [11:14] Nebulosus Severine: cool [11:14] You: Hi Heidi! [11:15] Kumi Kuhr: hi there Nebulosus! Arahan has told me good things about you [11:15] Larry Pixel: WeÕll begin our Panel Discussion in the amphitheatre in 15 minutes. [11:15] Nebulosus Severine: hiya kumi :) nice to meet you! [11:15] Kumi Kuhr: and you too Neb [11:15] Nebulosus Severine: :D [11:17] Sasun Steinbeck: wb Circe! [11:17] Circe Timtam: thankee! [11:18] Multi Gadget v1.48.4 by Timeless Prototype [11:19] Larry Pixel: Coming up on the center screen now is Vlad Bjornson: Yachatsanova Excerpt 2 [11:23] You: Hi Heidu and Lorelei.. was away snapping photos [11:24] Dan Undertone: Woops sorry I"ll just browse [11:24] Heidi TeeCee: Yes, taking a lot of pictures ... hope that is ok ... for the blog [11:24] You: Oh yes, there are never enough photos! [11:25] Larry Pixel: WeÕll begin our Panel Discussion in the amphitheatre in 5 minutes. [11:27] Multi Gadget v1.48.4 by Timeless Prototype [11:27] Sasun Steinbeck claps for the panel YAAAY! [11:28] Nebulosus Severine: hehe [11:28] Motorato Ware: CL [11:29] Circe Timtam: Larry what is this music stream? [11:30] Sasun Steinbeck shouts: everyone be sure to start your music stream so you can hear our panel! [11:30] Kumi Kuhr: who's missing? [11:31] Circe Timtam: Savi [11:31] Ninmah Ash: and Sasun Steinbeck is unable to be on the phone, but she is here and I hope will speak up in chat! [11:31] Nebulosus Severine: :) [11:32] Sasun Steinbeck: Yes sorry everyone :( cell phone being used as modem at the moment hehe [11:32] Nebulosus Severine: yay hihi arahan :) [11:32] Lex Neva: fyi folks, you can turn off typing to avoid allowing it to interrupt the speakers, by going to preferences -> audio and dragging the Sound Effects Volume to the left [11:32] Arahan Claveau: /hiya x [11:33] Larry Pixel: Sorry about the technical difficulties, but we have resolved them now [11:33] Boliver Oddfellow: man I am so glad they fixed that, we lobied hard for months for that [11:33] Sasun Steinbeck shouts: if you don't hear audio, please restart your Music control! The panel is live! [11:33] Larry Pixel: Please join us on the music control [11:34] Boliver Oddfellow: not getting audio gonna relog [11:34] Lex Neva: oh crap, I missed which voice was which :( [11:34] Ehdward Spengler: /so did i, dont know who is who [11:34] Larry Pixel: Audio is owrking [11:34] Larry Pixel: working [11:34] Ninmah Ash: Vlad Bjornson is speaking [11:35] Multi Gadget v1.48.4 by Timeless Prototype [11:35] Ehdward Spengler: /unless you dont have art in a gallery and cant get the art in a gallery [11:35] Kumi Kuhr: /hello Milo [11:35] Photowalkthrough Merit: Getting no audio here [11:36] Photowalkthrough Merit: Should I be hearing something [11:36] Corwin Carillon is offline [11:36] Photowalkthrough Merit: ? [11:36] Sasun Steinbeck: the underwater gallery is called - The Man Against Eternity Tour, and Underwater Gallery - by Earl Dinkin [11:36] Nebulosus Severine: thanks, sasun :) [11:36] Sasun Steinbeck: he's on my gallery list :) see the kiosk to the right of the stage [11:36] Nebulosus Severine: ahh cool then :) [11:36] Corwin Carillon is online [11:37] Milo Bellow: Hello Everyone :D [11:38] Circe Timtam: hello [11:38] Boliver Oddfellow: hi Milo [11:38] Milo Bellow: especially all my friends here :D [11:38] Nebulosus Severine: hi milo [11:38] Clames Clanger: /hi milo [11:38] Sasun Steinbeck: Yay Savi is on the phone, whew! I was worried there :) [11:38] Photowalkthrough Merit: Aha! got it [11:39] Ninmah Ash: DC speaking [11:39] Lex Neva: (we're delayed a bit) [11:39] Ninmah Ash: oh, quite so, I'm sorry [11:39] Lex Neva: it's okay! Was that you a minute ago? Names are hard to hear... [11:39] Ninmah Ash: No, it was Savi [11:39] Lex Neva: ah [11:39] Ehdward Spengler: /hi whisker [11:39] Sasun Steinbeck: yes like cool 3D kinetic sculptures *smiles* [11:40] Whisker Ophelia nods , "heya folks!" [11:40] Nebulosus Severine: hehe yeah sasun ;D [11:40] Circe Timtam: hi [11:40] Sasun Steinbeck: Hi Whisker! [11:42] Corwin Carillon is offline [11:44] Nebulosus Severine: yes! i totally agree, DC! [11:44] Ehdward Spengler: /i dont [11:45] Photowalkthrough Merit: No but it should [11:45] Larry Pixel: We'll be taking questions ... IM them to Larry Pixel [11:48] Esch Snoats: lol [11:49] Nebulosus Severine: hehe [11:49] Photowalkthrough Merit: Everything in SL is made out of plywood isnt it? :) [11:49] Nebulosus Severine: hehe... [11:50] Sasun Steinbeck: omg it's all plywood underneath with a thin coat of paint! [11:50] Photowalkthrough Merit smiles [11:50] Amalthea Blanc: lol [11:50] Amalthea Blanc: no paint [11:50] Amalthea Blanc: :) [11:51] Lex Neva: hah [11:51] Sasun Steinbeck: LOL [11:51] Amalthea Blanc: multi taskingat its best;) [11:52] Sunseed Bardeen: Whose talking? [11:52] Ninmah Ash: Savi [11:52] Ninmah Ash: DC speaking [11:53] Lex Neva: oh jeez :o [11:53] Nebulosus Severine: eep :( [11:53] Lex Neva: oh, just name names [11:53] Lex Neva: it's not like they did YOU any favors [11:53] Lex Neva: ;) [11:53] Circe Timtam chuckles at Lex [11:54] Sasun Steinbeck: lol [11:54] Amalthea Blanc: some things are better left unknown [11:54] Amalthea Blanc: :) [11:54] Photowalkthrough Merit: /tell larry Here's a question - Do the artists believe they should give away some of their work for free? Do they do so? And how much is reasonable to give away? [11:54] Photowalkthrough Merit: oops [11:54] Circe Timtam: (there IS no FIC!!!!) [11:54] Lex Neva: fading out seifert :/ [11:54] Photowalkthrough Merit got confused between SL and WoW [11:54] Motorato Ware: I think teh unwillingness to call a space a damn shovel is shameful [11:55] Tremali Lightworker: / heh photo :) [11:55] Photowalkthrough Merit blushes [11:56] Lex Neva: watermarking is imperfect [11:56] Dancoyote Antonelli: Agreed [11:56] Nebulosus Severine: i think it is, definitely [11:56] Dancoyote Antonelli: Watermarking is not perfect [11:58] Multi Gadget v1.48.4 by Timeless Prototype [11:59] Sunseed Bardeen: Who [11:59] Sunseed Bardeen: Who is talking? [12:00] Lex Neva: dancoyote [12:00] Anhinga Chaika: /dc [12:00] Ninmah Ash: Seifert speaking [12:00] Sunseed Bardeen: Have people wave when they start speaking. [12:01] Nebulosus Severine: lol [12:01] Lex Neva: there's a delay... that wouldn't help [12:01] Bruno Echegaray: can you say please before to talk your name? I don't recognize people by voice, thanks [12:01] Photowalkthrough Merit: Have a big arrow above their heads that the sim owner can move to point at whoever is talking :) [12:01] Larry Pixel: IM your questions to Larry Pixel [12:01] Sasun Steinbeck: lol [12:01] Ninmah Ash: I thought about that, but felt it might just be too weird ;-) [12:02] Photowalkthrough Merit: consider it performance art [12:02] Nebulosus Severine: ooh, somebody has birds [12:02] Nebulosus Severine: hehe [12:02] Larry Pixel: Hey Robbie welcome! [12:03] Larry Pixel: You know the audio is on the music control right? [12:03] Boliver Oddfellow: hi Robbie - good to see you [12:03] Ehdward Spengler: /fine art vs "popular" is an artificial distinction [12:03] Robbie Dingo: Hey Larry / BO - wouldn't wanna miss it... [12:04] Ninmah Ash: Tremali spoke, followed by Amalthea speaking now [12:05] Sasun Steinbeck: Yes Amalthea those events are such a great idea [12:05] Amalthea Blanc: :)yes, looking forward to aura lily's Egyptian sim :) [12:05] Milo Bellow: quite right [12:06] Sasun Steinbeck: yes i agree Dan! [12:06] Ninmah Ash: DC speaking after I asked the question [12:07] Ninmah Ash: Seifert speaking [12:08] Sasun Steinbeck: I agree, the things I create here I can *only* make here, my SL art is my art period [12:08] Nebulosus Severine: sl has completely changed and revitalized my art... :) [12:08] Ninmah Ash: Tremali speaking [12:09] Ninmah Ash: Savi speaking, following Tremali [12:09] Sasun Steinbeck: very cool! [12:10] Lex Neva: I just checked the ToS... it looks like LL just reserves redistribution rights, simply because SL _is_ redistribution of your work. [12:10] Larry Pixel gave you Artists on the Green. [12:10] Amalthea Blanc: yeah, basically for their own marketing...to show images of stuff peoplemake here [12:11] Lex Neva: "(a) a royalty-free, fully paid-up, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use and reproduce (and to authorize third parties to use and reproduce) any of your Content in any or all media for marketing and/or promotional purposes in co [12:11] Ninmah Ash: Tremali speaking following DC [12:11] Lex Neva: nnection with the Service" [12:11] Lex Neva: for reference [12:11] Photowalkthrough Merit: Any more than Adobe owns your photographs because you edited them in Photoshop [12:12] Larry Pixel: if you have questions to for specific panelists, we'll have time for those before we are done..send them to Larry Pixel [12:12] Ninmah Ash: DC following Tremali [12:13] Whisker Ophelia: BERN [12:14] Milo Bellow: here here [12:15] Sunseed Bardeen: Can we hear from Vlad now and then? [12:15] Professor Beliveau: /Very very very few film makers are allowed to "own" their work. They work in and for a studio. [12:16] Ninmah Ash: DC is speaking -- Amalthea just spoke [12:16] Circe Timtam: how can you compare that... [12:17] Sasun Steinbeck: hear hear! [12:17] Clames Clanger: /but we still do have FULL rights....they reserve the right to use our arts for press and marketing.... [12:17] Sunseed Bardeen: Let's hear from other panelists too. DCs point is made. [12:18] Arahan Claveau: /personally I'm grateful for any publicity and that people want to look at my work [12:18] Bruno Echegaray: who is talking now? [12:18] Ninmah Ash: Tremali speaking [12:18] Bruno Echegaray: ok ty [12:19] Clames Clanger: /well I agree with Arahan...I"m happy to help encourage our world ?! [12:19] Clames Clanger: /hahah !!! [12:19] Nebulosus Severine: i second that, clames [12:19] Clames Clanger: /any thirds from anyones ? [12:20] Arahan Claveau: /this issue does detract from why most of the artists are here. becuase they need to create and to share their work [12:20] Nebulosus Severine: yeah... all i wanna do is make art.... [12:20] Lex Neva: Do they really "own" it? [12:20] Clames Clanger: /came on now DC the vibes moved on !! [12:21] Nebulosus Severine: creating art, irl or in sl, always comes with the risk that someone might rip it off somehow... there is no absolute way of protecting it [12:21] Kumi Kuhr: /I agree Neb [12:21] Arahan Claveau nods [12:21] Kumi Kuhr: /anything can be copied [12:21] Nebulosus Severine: so instead of getting caught up in that, i just want to be happy making stuff :P lol [12:22] Ninmah Ash: that was Savi, followed now by Seifert [12:22] Nebulosus Severine: someone could simply steal an idea. so... may as well not lose too much sleep over it. [12:22] Kumi Kuhr: /the acid test is if you can make more original stuff beyond the one thiing that gets ripped off [12:22] Amalthea Blanc: /lex, my understanding is ...LL doesnt own, they just reserve some rights..., to showcase art in their professional presentations , for ex [12:23] Amalthea Blanc: /they could be completely hands off, i guess [12:23] Amalthea Blanc: /andthey may be, soon, who knows [12:23] Lex Neva: /right... that's what I read. Also, they're only reserving that right on _what you upload_, so you can defend yourself by sending only a low-res copy to SL. [12:23] Ninmah Ash: Savi is speaking, following Seifert who just spoke [12:23] Milo Bellow: well said [12:23] Sasun Steinbeck: LL employees have stated that if any artist has any objections to any of their art being used by LL for their own purposes they will make every effort to remove the art [12:23] Amalthea Blanc: :) good point [12:24] Nebulosus Severine: if a snapshot of my work causes someone to come into sl, and makes it possible for more people to see my work... then so be it [12:24] Sasun Steinbeck: but that's not as strong a statement as the TOS and could change [12:24] Photowalkthrough Merit: Lex - that's my approach. Works well for photographs. Less well for textual art like poetry or literature [12:24] Lex Neva: mine as well [12:24] Amalthea Blanc: /iagree Sasun [12:24] Amalthea Blanc: :) [12:24] Sunseed Bardeen: How can you qualify a [12:24] Sasun Steinbeck: heck even the TOS is subject to change at any time as per the TOS! [12:24] Ninmah Ash: Savi speaking [12:25] Ninmah Ash: Vlad speaking [12:25] Sunseed Bardeen: "unique thing" made from prims? Evertything is unique. [12:25] Arahan Claveau: /is the discussion going to bmove on from ownership issues? [12:25] Ehdward Spengler: /get a new business model [12:25] Amalthea Blanc: lol [12:25] Sasun Steinbeck: I can't take my sculpture home :( [12:25] Kumi Kuhr: /that is a money thing! we are talking creative content here surely? [12:25] Amalthea Blanc: LL reserves the right to change the TOS ;) [12:25] Clames Clanger: /here here.boring ! [12:25] Amalthea Blanc: we'll get up and dance in a bit [12:25] Amalthea Blanc: to stop beingboring ;) [12:26] Sasun Steinbeck: LOL Amalthea! [12:26] Clames Clanger: ok [12:26] Lex Neva: /might be interesting if we can revoke that section 3.2a marketing right by submitting a request in writing... [12:26] Larry Pixel: Please join me in thanking our our panel: [12:27] Ninmah Ash: DC speaking [12:27] Larry Pixel: Amalthea Blanc - patron, art lover, builder Dancoyote Antonelli - Hyperformalist artist [12:27] Ehdward Spengler: / i thought this was supposed to be a panel about what is art in sl? [12:27] Grain Drinkwater: thanks panel!! [12:27] Sasun Steinbeck: I think we should have an other discussion with LL, that's a great idea. [12:27] Larry Pixel: Savi Sieyes - gallery owner, SL artist and patron Siefert Surface - 3D sculptor, mathematician [12:27] Sunseed Bardeen: CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP!!!!! [12:27] Larry Pixel: Tremali Lightworker Ð fractal-influenced artist and sculptor Vlad Bjornson - artist, builder, scripter, 2D and 3D [12:27] Larry Pixel: And our moderator, Ninmah Ash, of the NMC Campus [12:28] Milo Bellow: My Thanks To Everyone on The Panel, if only for allowing me to hear your voices, very interesting :D [12:28] Ava Avis: thanks..lukicky I brought home some valium fform work....cos now I have lots more to worry about !! [12:28] Arahan Claveau: thanks folks :) [12:28] Sasun Steinbeck: woohoo!!! Thank you everyone!!! [12:28] Larry Pixel: [massive appaluse] [12:28] Anhinga Chaika: thanks for speaking [12:28] Kumi Kuhr: thank you all [12:28] Photowalkthrough Merit: Thank you panelists - this was interesting. I hope there will be another one of these [12:28] Sunseed Bardeen: THANKS TO NMC FOR ORGANIZING THIS. [12:28] Arahan Claveau applauds [12:28] Milo Bellow claps [12:28] Photowalkthrough Merit: And thanks to the hosts as well [12:28] Ava Avis: thanks [12:28] Kumi Kuhr shouts: thank you all panel [12:28] Boliver Oddfellow: thank you all for sharing your views very enlightening talk [12:28] Nebulosus Severine claps [12:28] Esch Snoats: Thanks!!!!! [12:28] Clames Clanger: thanks [12:28] Photowalkthrough Merit applauds [12:28] Motorato Ware: thank you, all [12:28] Sasun Steinbeck: if we all agreed what fun would that be :) [12:29] Amalthea Blanc: i have to run back to rl [12:29] Amalthea Blanc: nice chatting with everyone :) [12:29] DeltaDharmaDawn Aubret: Thanks all [12:29] Amalthea Blanc: and thanks Larry and Sasun for organizing this [12:29] Amalthea Blanc: :) [12:29] Sasun Steinbeck shouts: yes we do have some time set aside for us to chat here informally! [12:29] Tremali Lightworker: very good discussion, thank you all :) [12:29] Ninmah Ash: thanks everyone! [12:29] Kumi Kuhr: hey hey Neb [12:29] Arahan Claveau: lag was not a problem there :) [12:29] Nebulosus Severine: heya [12:29] Sasun Steinbeck shouts: stay and chat, and be sure to browse all the great art on display here! [12:29] Milo Bellow: Hey Seifert :D [12:29] Clames Clanger: no not really [12:30] Seifert Surface: hey milo [12:30] Grain Drinkwater: Hey Sasun [12:30] Milo Bellow: Hey Dan :D [12:30] Arahan Claveau: hey neb you met Kumi [12:30] Larry Pixel: On the center screen now is Robbie Dingo : Better Life [12:30] Arahan Claveau: hiya clames [12:30] Milo Bellow: wow, voices [12:30] Nebulosus Severine: a bit yes :) [12:30] Milo Bellow: how odd [12:30] Kumi Kuhr: /what did youthiink of that Clames? [12:30] Clames Clanger: hiy!! [12:30] Dancoyote Antonelli: thanks everyone, I need to be off to a show [12:30] Dancoyote Antonelli: ciao! [12:30] Milo Bellow: laters